Myths as they relate to not vaccinating

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Registered: 10-25-2008
Myths as they relate to not vaccinating
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Sun, 12-14-2008 - 6:45pm

Here are a list of myths that people use to not vaccinate and basically why the rationale does not work:


1. Autism is caused by vaccinations


Truth: So far, 10 studies involving thousands of children have yet to find any connection between the MMr vaccination and autism. The original paper suggesting a connection between the two was formally retracted by 10 0f 13 authors in 2004


*The type of mercury in thermisol does not accumulate in the body. So how can it be harmful?


* Autism rates have continued to rise even after the drug companies phased out thermisol in 2001.


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Registered: 09-13-2008
Sun, 12-14-2008 - 9:33pm

Please provide the studies and links from which you received your so called

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 12-14-2008 - 10:08pm

"So far, 10 studies involving thousands of children have yet to find any connection between the MMr vaccination and autism."

Could you give links to those ten studies? I would really like to read them because the ones I have read are inconclusive. They don't prove nor disprove a thing.

"Autism is caused by vaccinations"

Since the pro-vaccine people can not provide a list of those with Autism who've never been vaccinated, that's all the proof some of us need. It is that simple for so many - so why won't they do the studies of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated?

"Every day exposure to things like food and formula places people at a much higher exposure rate to toxins. The level of toxins has been tested and found to not place children at risk."

The immune system deals with food because the body was designed to deal with toxins entering the body through the mouth. It was not designed to deal with toxins which are directly injected, bypassing the first defense of the immune system's design.

Measles in a developed country is not deadly, complications can be, but likewise, the treatment of those complications can lead to death. Can you provide links of where US children have died from the measles (not from complications or from treatment)? I have always wanted to read about that since I've heard it repeated over and over...

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 9:12am

How I've missed this merry-go-round...


OK, I'll bite.


"Just ask yourself how often do you hear of someone dieing from vaccinating versus not? Even one death is not worth it."


This sounds like what is being said is that one death is not worth it from a disease because a person did not vaccinate.

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 10:24am

{{{{{Here are a list of myths that people use to not vaccinate and basically why the rationale does not work:

1. Autism is caused by vaccinations

Truth: So far, 10 studies involving thousands of children have yet to find any connection between the MMr vaccination and autism. The original paper suggesting a connection between the two was formally retracted by 10 0f 13 authors in 2004

*The type of mercury in thermisol does not accumulate in the body. So how can it be harmful?''}}}}}}}

And where has this been proven ?

{{{{* Autism rates have continued to rise even after the drug companies phased out thermisol in 2001.}}}}}

And why wouldn't they, because on the heels of reducing//removing the mercury in most vaccines, new recommendations involved giving a flu shot (with full dose of mercury) to all pregnant women no matter what stage of pregnancy, mercury, A kNOWN NEUROTOXIN, injected right into the mother, affecting the fetus....
and if that wasn't enough of an assault, the recommendations now include babies as young as 6 months, getting not one but TWO doses of mercury laced flu shots, and then one every year thereafter. So why in the world would this cause autism rates to decrease at any great rate, if at all....

{{{{{2. Too many shots is too risky

Truth: Each bacteria has 1-2000 components that stimulate an immune response from the body as they multiply the challenge to your body increases. In comparison, the entire 14 shot suggested course of childhood vaccines contains 150 immune components ALLTOGETHER. This is 1/10 of the challenge posed by one microscopic germ.}}}}}}

Sorry, but there has not been ONE study done EVER that would prove or disprove the above statement. No one knows the consequences of giving a child 50 or more doses of vaccines by the time they start school.

{{{3. Vaccines contain toxins.

Truth: Every day exposure to things like food and formula places people at a much higher exposure rate to toxins. The level of toxins has been tested and found to not place children at risk.}}}}

These toxins are not injected directly into an infant multiple times in their first year of life.

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{{{{{{4. It is healthier to contract some diseases naturally

Truth: The potential complications from chicken pox and measles is MUCH greater than one thinks. They include: seizures, pneumonia, encephalitis, and even death. This years measles outbreak was one of the biggest in nearly a decade. Of the 131 people affected so far, many of them were NOT vaccinated. Just ask yourself how often do you hear of someone dieing from vaccinating versus not? Even one death is not worth it.}}}}}}

Please show the complication rate of measles and chickenpox, # of cases vs # of complications. Thank you.


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Registered: 10-18-2007
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 11:09am

Good to "see" you Alice.


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Epidemiology, by its very nature, cannot prove or disprove anything.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 12:50pm
And why wouldn't they, because on the heels of reducing//removing the mercury in most vaccines, new recommendations involved giving a flu shot (with full dose of mercury) to all pregnant women no matter what stage of pregnancy, mercury, A kNOWN NEUROTOXIN, injected right into the mother, affecting the fetus...."



There are several options for flu vaccine for pregnant women and children .. One is "preservative-free" which can be a bit misleading, there are still trace amounts of mercury left over at the end of the vaccine-making process but thimerosal is removed at an early stage in the making of the vaccine, so at each step in the vaccine-making process the preservative is diluted even more .. leaving such a small amount of preservative in each dose of the vaccine that is it considered "preservative-free" .. we take in more mercury in a can of tuna fish. Canned, light tuna has approx 0.118 ppm and albacore has 0.353 ppm (according to the FDA). If you eat 6 ounces of light tuna (170 grams) you take in approx 20.06 mcg of mercury .. 60 mcg if you eat albacore. Pediatric doses of "preservative-free" vaccine contain approx 1 mcg of mercury .. the adult dosage of standard flu vaccine (not preservative-free) contains approx 25 mcg of mercury and is about the same as eating a can of tuna fish. (important to note we are talking methyl vs ethyl mercury ..)




There are also single-dose pre-filled syringes for flu vaccine that are thimerosal-free -- Limited quantities are available -- but I had no trouble getting it at work this year, and Walgreens pharmacies has it also.



Honestly .. given those kind of stats, I'd be more concerned about lead exposure through food, environmental contaminants and toys from china than the 12.5 mcg of ethyl mercury in a pediatric dose of flu vaccine .. though I don't honestly expect to change anyone's mind here -- just wanted to clarify that there are other options for flu vaccine than the "full dose of flu vaccine to all pregnant women, no matter what stage of pregnancy".


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Registered: 04-09-2008
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 1:19pm

With all due respect Melissa, I believe the question that's been posed with many of these "debates" (if that's what we call them) has been the difference between ingested, absorbed and injected.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 3:39pm

I'll agree that injecting straight up mercury isn't safe .. I'd be a fool to disagree .. my point, however, was simply that the amount being injected in the flu vaccine is less than is being absorbed into the blood stream from our environmental contaminants, and that there are single-dose alternatives which are made without preservative -- so the statement that was made previously about pregnant women being encouraged to get the flu vaccine with a "full dose" of mercury, is misleading.


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Registered: 04-09-2008
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 3:53pm

Though I understand what you're saying, I cannot agree with it - for the simple plain fact is that we have no idea of level of safety of any amount being "injected" as opposed to "ingested" or "absorbed"; can we agree with that?

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Registered: 10-25-2008
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 6:47pm

It was not designed to deal with toxins which are directly injected, bypassing the first defense of the immune system's design.


I will look for the measles info. Can you please post research based info that proves the above or is this simply your opinion?

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