Myths as they relate to not vaccinating

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Myths as they relate to not vaccinating
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Sun, 12-14-2008 - 6:45pm

Here are a list of myths that people use to not vaccinate and basically why the rationale does not work:


1. Autism is caused by vaccinations


Truth: So far, 10 studies involving thousands of children have yet to find any connection between the MMr vaccination and autism. The original paper suggesting a connection between the two was formally retracted by 10 0f 13 authors in 2004


*The type of mercury in thermisol does not accumulate in the body. So how can it be harmful?


* Autism rates have continued to rise even after the drug companies phased out thermisol in 2001.


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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 1:32pm

If only I had a crystal ball and could go through the chickenpox with Brayden WITHOUT the vaccine. I bet he would have had a mild case too. I have read more than once that a child who had the vaccine broke out worse, had more fever, and the sickness lasted longer than a child who was not vaccinated. Because of other real stories from real Mom's, I'm convinced that whole "mild case if you've been vaccinated" thing is just more group-speak used for spreading scare tactics. I have also read studies that suggest it may be worse, no studies saying it "may" be a mild case though except in the CDC's musings. How do they know? With the lack of system - how WOULD they know? I guess its like anything else with them though, they think it's perfectly okay to play numbers games. I guess they pulled a piece of paper out of their hat and it said "cases will be less severe in vaccinated children" so they ran with it. I guess that's cheaper than fortune cookies! (Sorry I'm not a fan of statistics.)

I have read a few articles about NSAID's. One left me sick at my stomach because it's very likely what caused his rash to last so long (the use of NSAID's). So I probably caused it to be worse...but I have to wonder was it the NSAID's or was it the vaccine or was he a child who would have had a severe case anyway? I find that one hard to believe though since his daddy never showed a single symptom when his brother had it.

I was giving him Motrin and Tylenol back to back for days, I do remember that part! UGH!

Now we don't keep either in the house - no asprin either!

I'm so very thankful for the smart people I've met!!! :)

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 1:07pm

"(help pay for vioxx)"

That was so darn funny!

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Registered: 12-14-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 10:11am

"Those two vaccines probably did more to expand the vaccine doubters movement than anything else."

Agreed but I would also add the HPV (help pay for vioxx) vaccine to this list. That vaccine's got a lot of bad press and rightfully so!






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Registered: 01-02-2009
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 8:39am

I've noticed that the chickenpox vax and the hep B vax are the two that people have the most questions about in online discussions. Those two vaccines probably did more to expand the vaccine doubters movement than anything else.

I asked a vaccine pushing doctor in an online discussion once: "The Norwegians don't require the chickenpox vaccine. If I were to vaccinate my child according to the schedule used in Norway, would that be anti-vaccine craziness? Cause, you know, the Norwegians are absolute tops when it comes to child health."

She didn't answer this question.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 12:43am

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Have you read articles about the baby being protected in their first few weeks via Mom's natural immunity?

I read somewhere that this protection lasted 18 months but other articles didn't specify.

Then when your baby gets the disease (if they do) then you will get a booster, just from the exposure...or so I've read.>>

Dedicated note taker!! :) Pox at 13 was pretty terrible -- I was really sick from it and then my youngest sister caught it from me and was even worse than I was. I had little red dots everywhere imaginable, under fingernails, in my mouth, in my ears, all through my scalp and nothing relieved the itching, I had them in June -- just as it starts to get warm enough to be uncomfortable even when you're not covered in pox! My middle sister (who had them when she was 5) had a very mild case when she caught chicken pox and bounced right back in probably no more than a week. Obviously -- we were around her the whole she was sick time b/c my mother hoped we would all just catch it together and be done with it .. that wasn't the case -- so I can totally see how a person could be exposed multiple times without breaking out. I had also heard about immunity from mother's immunity for at least the first 12 months -- though I don't recall where I read that.

It seems to me .. based on the stories of people / children who were vaccinated and still get chicken pox, and the fact that not all pediatricians advocate for the chicken pox vaccine -- its one that could easily be avoided without much risk to anyone -- and maybe even benefit to those of us who were not vaccinated! :-p

It would be interesting to see some sort of data compiled that relates to the rate of vaccine failure for varicella .. though it's my guess that would never be done because then they don't really have a vaccine to sell ..



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Registered: 10-18-2007
Mon, 01-19-2009 - 11:44pm

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I am, absolutely, positively, 100,000% against the use of NSAIDs in children, period. (Obvious disclaimer) I simply do not understand the practice of immune suppression, at all... and never will.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Mon, 01-19-2009 - 5:13pm

Vannah just reminded me of something else. I asked her "what do you remember about having the chicken pox?" She said "I couldn't go to co-op" (co-op is kinda like preschool) and then she said "but I could eat!". Yes, that was a major difference in her case and her brother's case. She only had one day of no appetite, the rest of the chicken pox days she was eating normally. She must have remembered me comparing their appetites while sick. She's a big eater anyway, no matter what's wrong, we were probably joking about it. The child is ALWAYS hungry and skinny as a rail!

Brayden lost weight and had no appetite at all when he had the chickenpox.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Mon, 01-19-2009 - 4:59pm

Since I often write about vaccines and diseases, I’ve had some notes in my computer about the chicken pox so I decided to compile them and write down my experience with chicken pox. That way, I have the details without looking through unorganized notes. I’m sorry its so long, but a lot was learned in the experience so I’m sharing what I can remember and/or have notes about.

Both of my children got the pox at 3 yrs old. Brayden (now 9) was vaccinated at 2, Vannah (now 4) was never vaccinated.

Brayden got the pox in early June. I finally went to the doctor about mid July. At that point, he had been having new breakouts for 6 weeks ALL OVER THE BODY and his limbs, even his neck and feet. They (new ones) occurred about every two weeks, and at the same time, he would have some oozing and some already crusting over. Right after that, he got Impetigo (before the pox were even gone), that lasted for another six weeks and was worse than the chickenpox. During the pox he would either have a high fever, or no fever. I was feeding him NSAID’s and he had days when he was playing as if nothing was wrong and then there would be fever and worse itching and it would start all over again. Most days he played as if nothing was wrong though. I let him play in the sun, swim in the pool and play as usual. I had one nurse and one doctor say not to, a different doctor and a trusted friend told me as long as he felt ok, that it was fine for him to play outside. I didn’t know who to believe.

With the impetigo he played as if nothing was wrong for the last few weeks, but I had documented that he had fever at least twice with that. I did get a prescription from the pediatrician for a topical treatment. I was already against antibiotics at that point so I had an Aunt preach at me that he needed antibiotics and that the reason he got impetigo in the first place is because I let him play outside. I guess I was supposed to keep a three year old in confinement for 3 months (the entire summer)…

That was when I realized that friends and family all relied on what they had heard and what they were told by their own friends and family and doctors were often wrong as well – even though they were giving you textbook information, they were still wrong in some instances.

Vannah got the pox in May, it was over in less than 10 days. She didn’t feel well at her brother’s swimming party but that is the only time she even acted slightly sick. I feel terrible because I just blew it off when I noticed she wasn’t acting like herself. I just assumed she was jealous over the attention that wasn’t on her for the first time in her life. Days later her little belly was covered in pox. I didn’t remember her having that many – she didn’t complain at all but I just found some notes I had kept. One said that the most pox counted was about 80 at one time but they were only on her belly. She never really ran a fever, unless I didn’t notice that day at the pool (bad Mama) or it occurred during the night. She played like nothing was wrong every day of the sickness. The first three days, she had itching and most of the pox vanished quickly. Only a very few oozed and crusted over. For the last four days you could see only about 10 little pox on her belly but she didn’t even complain with itching at all. The last of them disappeared without ever oozing or crusting over. The majority of the first ones did too. But in all, she only had the two outbreaks of new pox. The lack of fever had me worried that it wasn’t pox but that was during the chaos when I questioned every little thing. It was definitely chickenpox though, I have no doubt.

During Vannah’s chicken pox, I had a few friends who knew not to use NSAID’s for her fever in case she had one, she didn’t. I was calling the old pediatrician’s office, the new pediatrician’s office and the after-hours line for both offices. Each call would get me a different doctor or nurse. Each doctor or nurse gave me a different answer for the same exact questions. One doctor told me not to have a chicken pox party and scared me into believing that one of the healthy non-vaccinated kids would die if I did. I was getting logic from some and fear tactics from the others, it was scary and confusing.

What I learned from my experience was that by the time you see a rash, the contagious period has pretty much already come. I learned that the shot doesn’t always work. I also learned that when doctors act like the chicken pox is so scary, they are being ridiculous. I found out that not everybody gets the chicken pox when they are exposed, unvaccinated or not. I read that its after the second or third exposure when a patient usually presents symptoms but some people never present symptoms. Now, it makes me suspicious when the doctors tell how scary-contagious it is.

In Vannah’s case, I later learned that about 20 kids, who were not vaccinated against chickenpox, were directly playing with my child when she was the most contagious…not a single child got the chicken pox. ( Some of them were playing in close contact and in closed rooms.) For several weeks after the swimming party I checked the county health department only to find that NO cases of pox was reported in that county. The child that my daughter played with in the pool that day �� she wasn’t vaccinated, nor were her two brothers. They didn’t get it. Their Mom was pregnant, no complications arose from the exposure. The child who spent the night with us during her most contagious time, he was not vaccinated, he did not get it, nor did any of his 5 unvaccinated siblings. A few days before the party we had gone to pick strawberries. She would have been contagious that day too, yet when I checked that county health department for weeks later, same thing – no cases. She played for hours with other children on that farm that day, petting animals in a barn, playing on the slide, rolling around with kids in the corn-box etc.

Most importantly I learned that it is entirely possible for a person to be immune to the chickenpox even though he never presented a rash or fever. When my husband’s brother got the pox as a child, my husband did not. Yet when his children got the full-blown chicken pox, he lived, never even had a fever or rash. At three, our kids sleep in our bed, so he got a very good exposure to both kids. The doctors and their scare tactics had me believe he would surely die if I didn’t vaccinated my son. My husband was exposed when his brother got it and his immunity was produced even without presentation of symptoms. It’s very likely that my husband got a *booster* of immunity each time our kids got the disease, and I probably did too.

That is the ONLY reason Brayden ever got the vaccine! I had seen the truth by the time Vannah was born so she is completely free of vaccine ingredients.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Mon, 01-19-2009 - 4:55pm

The pox at 13 sounds terrible!

Have you read articles about the baby being protected in their first few weeks via Mom's natural immunity?

I read somewhere that this protection lasted 18 months but other articles didn't specify.

Then when your baby gets the disease (if they do) then you will get a booster, just from the exposure...or so I've read.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Mon, 01-19-2009 - 4:51pm

No, I've even looked to see if England or other countries kept up with their vaccine failures - they don't from what I can tell. All I can find is info on the CDC. I wonder if other countries have their own version of the CDC and VAERS or if they just rely on ours?

It is frustrating! I don't see why we can't make at least vaccine failure reporting mandatory. If the doctors could just keep up with phone calls and visits and only had a simple form to fill out and fax/email, it would be worth it to have that data!

A lot of vaccinated kids do get the disease though, I know this from being a debate board junkie. I sometimes wonder if someone from the CDC needs to be reading message boards the way some of us do. That way, they would see the many many parents with the same exact story. Maybe that would help....nah, that would effect stock prices...they wouldn't dare!

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