New here/ MMR

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Registered: 03-16-2007
New here/ MMR
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Tue, 09-16-2008 - 11:34pm

Hey all.. I am new here and definitely have some opinions on vaccinating, especially against HPV- and childhood vaccines. I am in major research mode, as my 18 mo old DD is due for "vaccinations" soon, but I have here on a delayed schedule for many of them, and some of them i will not do at all.


I will get into more discussion about all this at a later time, but i was wondering if anyone has a resource that states exactly WHAT is in vaccines. I am specifically looking at MMR. I know that it has aborted fetal cells in the Rubella part of the vaccine. I REFUSE to have that injected into my daughter's body. I am not a super religious person, but I don't believe it's ethical whatso ever to be putting that into our children's body. I am curious as to what else is in there.


Also, I have heard some pediatricians offer the mumps & measles vaccines seperately, w/ no rubella vaccination. Anyone have any advice on where to get more info like this? I am looking for something that is cut & dry, which i know will be hard because every side has an opinion.

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Registered: 12-14-2000
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 9:50am

I think the package inserts would be your best bet in finding out what, specifically, is contained in each vaccine.

 

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Registered: 12-14-2005
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 10:33am

Karin's correct the product insert is the best place to look for medicinal/non-medicinal ingredients.

However, I recall reading that Merck has some "delay" in producing the separate vaccines so they are basically unavailable right now - someone on the non-vaccine support board might have that information as some of the members their selectively vaccinate.

I am flying out on business today so I don't have time to search for it right now.






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Registered: 10-21-2004
Wed, 09-17-2008 - 3:52pm

 

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Thu, 09-18-2008 - 1:02pm

Hi!

I just wanted to mention that I started my research that way too...by wanting to know what was in each vaccine and how it was made. I wish I had gone about it another way and it may have saved me some time and I think I would have gotten a better understanding too.

First study each disease. Was its occurrence declining prior to the creation of a vaccine? Then look at how long the disease lasts, its symptoms and whether a life-long immunity is created when one gets the actual disease. (We know that vaccines wane.) Look at what treatments were available throughout history for each disease - and consider how it would be treated today...ask your pediatrician how your child may be treated if he came down with say...chicken pox for instance. Would they even want you in the office? Would your doctor offer up some pharmaceutical to treat the disease or would he tell you to stay home and let it run its course? Consider that TODAY most complications and death of children happen in unhealthy children or a child who has had a treatment which complicated the sickness (sometimes treatments can be deadly too). These diseases that we vaccinate for are self-limiting and are rarely ever deadly. Then, after deciding which disease you are most afraid of, then study what's in it and how it's made. :)

I wish I had gone about it like that, I would have learned so much more in less time.

Some new things I've been reading about lately - they are posted on this board. But do consider reading the "Vaccine Safety Manual" (Neil Z. Miller) and also consider that if you allow your little girl to get the chicken pox then she will pass her immunity onto your grandchildren while they are babies and too young to be vaccinated. consider that if your Grandchild gets chicken pox then your son or daughter's shingles may not be as severe as the cases we are seeing today.

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Registered: 07-08-2008
Sun, 09-21-2008 - 8:09pm

Right now its going to be tough to get mumps, measles and rubella seperated.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 1:14am

Healthy babies in this country die from chicken pox or do they die from the treatment? Or do they die from complications? I've tried to find statistics on this for a long time now. Will you please post this information? I have been looking for it for years now, but I'm only concerned with US numbers, since that's where I live. Thanks.

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Registered: 07-08-2008
Tue, 09-23-2008 - 9:18pm

Google is your friend. Try googling Chickenpox Deaths.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/varicella/dis-faqs-gen.htm

http://www.whale.to/v/chickenpox.htm (site is not respected by many but you can read the links posted and follow them yourself to verify the information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_pox

and many more.

As for how many die due to "bad treatment" or medical malpractice, that would be hard to figure out I imagine.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Wed, 09-24-2008 - 2:04am

If you stay around here long enough, and you actually read the material, you will learn that 1) The CDC often conflicts its own self. 2) The CDC often uses parts of data and hope you won't realize what's missing from their story. 3)Conflicts of Interest in government agencies assures that the data is presented to you in a way that is sure to confuse you.

You think 8 deaths in a 17-month-period among almost 300 million people is a lot? (Actually it would be over 300 million if we counted all the illegals.)

Have you ever read studies that explain why you should not give Tylenol, Motrin, Advil... or asprin of course, to a child with any skin rash? This may be true for an adult as well. You really should read about it, its important to any Mom, because we know that the vaccinated can still get the disease. Don't use OTC methods to bring a child's fever down when he has a skin rash. Don't be fooled into thinking you won't have to deal with such illness', it can happen, vaccines fail sometimes.

They say that chicken pox is dangerous for an adult who gets it. I worry about all those vaccinated kids because the vaccines WILL wane over time. Chicken Pox is, after all, considered a "child-hood" disease. What they don't tell you is that most adults who say they never had it actually did. OR - they were exposed to it, never showed symptoms, and will show positive antibody when tested for it.

What they don't tell you is they would rather give you a vaccine for no good reason and not test your blood first to see if you are already immune. Does that make sense to you?

You have a lot to learn! I still do and I've worked on it for years. :)

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Registered: 04-28-2007
Wed, 09-24-2008 - 8:52am

I would agree with pp about researching the ingredients first. What I would be more concerned with is injecting three live viruses into the the body while your baby's blood brain barrier still isn't mature yet. My older two boys have autism (high functioning) and we found my oldest has the measles virus present in his gut. It's not supposed to be there, kwim!! Now he has horrible intestinal issues that have only begun to be resolved with biomedical intervention to rid his gut of high yeast, to rebuild his good bacteria and now he has to be on a celiac diet or his symptoms flare up again.

I obviously don't have hard, died in the wool links or evidence (for all you sceptics that will no doubt jump all over my anecdotal evidence), but the fact that his gut has been so traumatised and has the measles virus.....nuff said!

Dee http://2ladsandalass.blogspot.com/




Edited 9/30/2008 3:15 pm ET by roanmom
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Registered: 07-08-2008
Wed, 09-24-2008 - 10:06am

Well aren't you a friendly little one LMAO!!!!

Thank you ever so much for all your valuable time and obvious effort in your post. I'm not here to educate you, you asked for links I gave them to you.

You have your position, I simply stated that healthy babies can and do die thats all.... confused about all your other questions and how they apply but I'm a busy momma so you use your time to "research" and debate and I'll go play w/my babies.

Good Day.

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