New here/ MMR

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Registered: 03-16-2007
New here/ MMR
Tue, 09-16-2008 - 11:34pm

Hey all.. I am new here and definitely have some opinions on vaccinating, especially against HPV- and childhood vaccines. I am in major research mode, as my 18 mo old DD is due for "vaccinations" soon, but I have here on a delayed schedule for many of them, and some of them i will not do at all.

I will get into more discussion about all this at a later time, but i was wondering if anyone has a resource that states exactly WHAT is in vaccines. I am specifically looking at MMR. I know that it has aborted fetal cells in the Rubella part of the vaccine. I REFUSE to have that injected into my daughter's body. I am not a super religious person, but I don't believe it's ethical whatso ever to be putting that into our children's body. I am curious as to what else is in there.

Also, I have heard some pediatricians offer the mumps & measles vaccines seperately, w/ no rubella vaccination. Anyone have any advice on where to get more info like this? I am looking for something that is cut & dry, which i know will be hard because every side has an opinion.

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Thu, 09-25-2008 - 9:47am

Well I think it is "debatable" but there is a body of literature on the role of fever and treating fevers. Particularly, the role suppressing a fever may have in prolonging illness and making illness worse.

Fever is the bodies NATURAL response to a virus - it heats the body to kill the virus.

"The use of antipyretics in fever management is controversial. Fever enhances the immunological response to disease by enhancing initial antigen recognition, increasing the activity of host defenses and susceptibility of antigens to mobilized defenses (Mackowiak & Plaisance, 1998; Rowsey, 1997a; Rowsey, 1997b). Antipyretics reduce fever by approximately 2C (Schmitt, 1993), and they interfere with the body's immunological response to disease (Mackowiak & Plaisance, 1998; Rowsey, 1997a; Rowsey, 1997b). Nurses report administering antipyretics to febrile children to reduce fever and the associated symptoms and to prevent febrile seizures (FS) (Kluger, 1992; Poirier, Gonzalez-del-Rey, Monroe, & Davis, 1998; Thomas et al., 1994).

Conflicting results have been found in antipyretic efficacy in illness management. Some studies describe a prolonging of the disease process. Schmitt (1991) found children receiving antipyretics took longer to recover from measles and chicken pox than those taking a placebo. Other studies report longer recovery time in rhinovirus-infected adult volunteers treated with antipyretics in respect to viral shedding, nasal signs and symptoms, and impaired antibody response compared to the placebo group (Graham, Burrell, & Douglas, 1990; Stanley, Jackson, Panusarn, Rubenis, & Dirda, 1975)."

CDC's website: May 15, 1998/Vol. 47/No. 18 issue of Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report
"Varicella-Related Deaths Among Children: Texas and Iowa notified CDC of three fatal cases of varicella (chickenpox) that occurred in children during 1997." In each of the three cases the young boys started out with fevers and/or other minor inflammatory conditions. Following each regimen of antibiotics, analgesics, or steroidal medications their condition grew progressively worse. The doctors responded to each new symptom with yet another drug, until they died.

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Registered: 03-01-2007
Thu, 09-25-2008 - 11:33am

Hi everyone,

Let's get this conversation back on track, please.

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Registered: 07-08-2008
Thu, 09-25-2008 - 12:29pm
thanks I have read that info as well, I appreciate you posting it
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Thu, 09-25-2008 - 12:36pm



Tracy - wife to Ron since 9/9/03, mom to college sophomore, Jason (18), high school Junior Chase
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Registered: 10-10-2004
Thu, 09-25-2008 - 4:28pm

I'm curious if you can explain to me why steroids are bad with chicken pox? I have never heard of that and now I must know more LOL. I learn so much from this board.

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Registered: 12-27-2005
Thu, 09-25-2008 - 4:49pm

It increases the severity of chicken pox (whether that's a potential risk or an absolute risk, I don't know, but I do know that it's not one that doctors are willing to take.)


Tracy - wife to Ron since 9/9/03, mom to college sophomore, Jason (18), high school Junior Chase
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Registered: 03-14-2004
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 11:53am

Let me share with you my concerns wrt vaccines, I think they start a snowball effect, and the end result isn't a good one. While the idea behind vaccines is great, the actual practice is causing untold number of unintended consequences.

The personal story here will illustrate my concerns perfectly,

As you read it, keep in mind that this child WAS healthy until 8 years of age. What happened to cause the deterioration of his health to begin with?

Some believe that the vaccines (due to they keep artificially jump starting the immune system, lead to a hyper responsive immune system) are triggering the asthma, allergies, auto immune type ills.

So now a child is put on a medication that makes him EVEN MORE susceptible to disease and to complications of disease.

Had the child in the personal story above NEVER been vaccinated, would he be alive today?

Not only does no one have the answer, it appears that they DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER.

This grieving mother was pulled into a PR campaign for the varicella vaccine.

But back to basics, chickenpox is benign in MOST, as is measles.

You can tell how healthy a man is by what he takes two at a time _ stairs or pills.



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Registered: 03-27-2003
Sun, 09-28-2008 - 12:01pm

I actually found some stats for one year for the chickenpox, one of the years they claimed about 100 deaths.

They listed the age ranges of the deaths, and I found that 23 of the deaths were in children 18 and younger. The majority of the deaths were in the older age groups.

I found it interesting that the group they were pushing the vaccine on were less at risk than the groups they weren't pushing the vax on.

I also would be interested to know prior health of those that died. In most cases of complications to disease that I have been able to find, there was a pre existing condition, and complications in the healthy person are RARE.

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Registered: 10-10-2004
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 12:11am
Thank you for the article it cleared up
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Registered: 10-10-2004
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 12:44am

Thanks for the story. We stopped vaccinating almost seven years ago. I agree both chicken pox and measles are generally benign. two of my four have had measles, I had measles, DH has no idea if he has. My oldest dd had chicken pox