New here/ MMR

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Registered: 03-16-2007
New here/ MMR
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Tue, 09-16-2008 - 11:34pm

Hey all.. I am new here and definitely have some opinions on vaccinating, especially against HPV- and childhood vaccines. I am in major research mode, as my 18 mo old DD is due for "vaccinations" soon, but I have here on a delayed schedule for many of them, and some of them i will not do at all.


I will get into more discussion about all this at a later time, but i was wondering if anyone has a resource that states exactly WHAT is in vaccines. I am specifically looking at MMR. I know that it has aborted fetal cells in the Rubella part of the vaccine. I REFUSE to have that injected into my daughter's body. I am not a super religious person, but I don't believe it's ethical whatso ever to be putting that into our children's body. I am curious as to what else is in there.


Also, I have heard some pediatricians offer the mumps & measles vaccines seperately, w/ no rubella vaccination. Anyone have any advice on where to get more info like this? I am looking for something that is cut & dry, which i know will be hard because every side has an opinion.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 3:54pm

OK, so I went all the way back to the first post and tried to find where I was being “friendly”. I’m not here to make friends. As a matter of fact, I’ve spent over 12 years on the internet with the intentions of NEVER making friends. I have since changed my stance on that recently because I now believe there is a reason for the friendships I have formed. Prior to that, I only wanted to come to boards like this one and stand for truth. They ain’t a whole lotta people doing that these days!!! It’s a shame that as citizens we’ve all become sheeple and the truth takes a backseat. In today’s technological age, there is absolutely no reason for that!

In light of the fact that many very educated people are not able to decipher the studies and articles about vaccination, I want to help. I am also here to learn myself. I saw how construed the data can become when someone at the CDC NEEDS to make their side look like the right side. I KNOW that the government forces the hand of the CDC and its employees. I KNOW how unethical these writings are and I know WHY they are never written first-hand. I also know how statistics are used, and how they can be manipulated.

My point in the beginning was that chicken pox VERY rarely causes death. Even the CDC themselves said that, but you have to dig to find this because the internet site has become diluted with all PRO-VACCINE propaganda. I guess they started this when they saw that even the average Joe can put 2 and 2 together. I’ll try to find a PDF file that I saved from long ago.

My other point was that when there is a death of a child who had chicken pox, it is not the disease that killed the patient but instead COMPLICATIONS of the disease.

Now CP is not rare, but just because you’re exposed, that does not mean you will get it. This is true for ANY age person. Many of the parents I know who don’t vaccinate or vaccinate selectively, wanted their child to get the CP from my daughter. They were exposed during her most contagious times – but not a single one of those kids got it! So, in order to die from it, FIRST you have to be exposed to it. THEN you MIGHT get CP. THEN, and only then, could you have complications and those are extremely RARE. In addition, there’s a whole lot of new studies that suggest not giving NSAIDS to a child with a fever and a skin condition – because it may very well kill him/her.

You sent me a link about 8 deaths in a year. 8 PEOPLE got this childhood disease. We do know that at least 2 were adults. The other six could have been all teens for all we know, but still 6 out of 300 million+ people and you are AFRAID of the chicken pox? This is a disease that almost everybody got throughout history, and even survived way before sanitary living conditions…and you can’t see how RARE it is to die from CP?

Do we know the previous health history of ALL 8 patients? No, we do not, and that is most often left out of every statistic. (But if you look real hard you can find the truth.)
Do we know how many NSAIDS were shoved down these 8 people’s throats? No, we don’t. Do we know how old most were? No, we do not. Do we know that CP is very dangerous for older people (hence why they refer to it as a “childhood disease”)? Yes, we do. Do we know for a fact that data can be used to support just about any position, as long as it’s written in creative fashion? Well, obviously we do!

From the next link you posted, I came away with this:

http://www.whale.to/m/ibupro.html

And on the last one, I didn’t bother with.

I am not being friendly with you, only honest. It’s too bad your friends at the CDC can’t say the same.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 4:04pm

Tiraid???

I'll go back and re-read again, but if I ever sound like a "tiraid" (whatever that is) then it is because I am SICK of ignorance being spread around. Group-speak is dangerous and it is really really frustrating to see it when you know the truth.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 4:10pm

And she ALMOST did, but I wasn't in the mood today...unlike MOST days, hee! hee!

I notice the next two are deleted. I hope she comes back, if she got mad and left. It is really aggravating to find out you are lied to by those you trust. Sometimes posters should know that even people on the no-vax side sometimes have children who were vaccinated.

I have learned where to put my trust, I hope she does too! :)

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 4:33pm

OK so 8 people in the US died from complications they got after getting the CP. That is NOT "important information to have". Not when you have no proof that they died FROM CP. Because why? Look at the attachment from my previous email. CP is very mild in children, it's far from deadly. In that attachment, I'll attach it again here, you can see your trusted CDC telling you all about how NOT DEADLY it is. Why would you want to tell about 8 out of 300 million as if it were something to fear? No one should fear CP, getting it is a good thing.

You probably thought I was on a tiraid because I really want you to reconsider that CP vaccine, it sounded like you were going to do it for "school purposes" which made me think you had experience with that sort of fear-mongering which really does aggravate me (but that's another story). I have experience that tells me that NO child should be vaccinated from this self-limiting disease. I would like to protect every child from getting the vaccine for CP, if I could, I would. Yes, I am that passionate about it, sorry to sound so bit-@hy, it just comes out that way sometimes.

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Registered: 03-16-2007
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 4:51pm

Wow!! I guess my original post wasn't really asking for info on the CP vax. I have already made my decision NOT to vaccinate my DD for that- and i think the whole idea of vaccinating against something like CP is absolutely ridiculous. I had them severe as a child, have scars everywhere, yet i am a normal, healthy being!


It just blows my mind that so many parents are chosing to vaccinate against it.


I was originally asking for more info on the seperation of the MMR vax,

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 4:53pm

"I can't believe if you've seen my posts that you don't know I worry about vaccine safety and selectively and delay vaccines."

I can't believe that you can't see that these people are sharing with you the truths they have found. You made a mistake first off by thinking that 8 out of 300 million is such a big number that we should all fear death from chicken pox. Yes, that sounds like the same fear-mongering tactics used by the likes of the CDC and your school principal. Your second mistake was to think that chicken pox causes death. She is only trying to get you to see that it would be EXTREMELY rare for CP to directly cause death in a small child. Please re-think how "important" you feel this information is.

"Anyways, this is pointless and we are wasting our time." It's never a waste of time when a person is either A)Learning the Truth OR B)Sharing the Truth.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 5:16pm

Please do look into how serious these diseases are...or are not, as would be the case with the majority. But first look to see how rare they are in the US - what is the liklihood that you child with get it at all? If you are going out of the country a lot when she's a baby, it may be a different story - but do look at US figures because they use world-wide statistics as a way of furthering their fear mongering. Always consider that when you do your research. It used to make me crazy when I first got started!

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Registered: 06-05-2008
Wed, 10-01-2008 - 11:01am

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Are most parents actually CHOOSING it? It seems like most parents just blindly trust whatever they doctors say their kids need. Or, the parents hear that the kids need this vax to get into school so they go ahead and get it without doing any research for themselves. Is this not right?

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Registered: 03-16-2007
Wed, 10-01-2008 - 2:33pm
yes that is totally correct- they are just going with what their doctors tell them to do- and in my mind that is choosing- they are choosing not to do their own research.
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