New here w/? re: flu vax when preggo

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New here w/? re: flu vax when preggo
Fri, 10-17-2008 - 2:40pm

Are there any moms on here who might have had the flu vaccine while pregnant? I am particularly curious about moms who did AND have children diagnosed with any form of autism or developmental delays.

It seems that while thimerosal has been banned from vaccinations in general, it is still allowed in the flu vax (both injectable and nasal.) Unless one specifically requests the thimerosal-free vax, the standard dose contains the mercury- based preservative. I cannot find much info regarding the impact of this on a developing fetus, but it troubles me a great deal. Considering that the byproducts, thus neurotoxicity, can linger for a year+, it seems that the fragile fetal system could take a very real hit during development in utero and beyond.

Any thoughts or are there any links to similar discussions/pertinent studies?


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Registered: 10-23-2008
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 1:11pm
Just because it did not happen to you does not mean that it will not or cannot happen to someone else.
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Registered: 10-23-2008
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 1:14pm
ANd in my opinion it is cruel to leave your baby unprotected. If you think that you can protect your baby from all harm you are "dead" wrong.
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Registered: 06-05-2008
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 2:30pm
But that's just it! You still aren't 100% protected when you are vaxed! A) You don't get a vax for every possible disease. B) Even though you're vaxed, you can STILL get the disease for which you were vaxed. The problem is that you now also have to worry about side effects of the vax. There are no guarantees either way. And you can believe what you will about vaxing or not vaxing but the truth is that SIDS IS a side effect of vaxes.
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Registered: 10-23-2008
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 4:26pm

Show me proof please that SIDS has been shown to be directly related to vax's and I am not saying a possible link - I mean that it has been directly linked.

You don't have to be 100% protected - if you are majority protected that is good enough Think of it this way. WIth nothing, you are also 0% protected and pregnant women and newborn babies have been PROVEN to be at increased risk. That is more than you are giving me in terms of risk.

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Thu, 10-23-2008 - 4:32pm

News from the National Academies

Date: March 12, 2003
Contacts: Christine Stencel, Media Relations Officer
Cory Arberg, Media Relations Assistant
Office of News and Public Information
(202) 334-2138; e-mail

For Immediate Release

SIDS Not Linked to Number and Variety of Childhood Vaccines

WASHINGTON -- The evidence does not support a causal link between sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and either the diphtheria, tetanus, and whole-cell pertussis (DTwP) vaccine or exposure to multiple childhood vaccines, says a new report from the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies. Only an older version of a vaccine against diphtheria and pertussis that is no longer administered to infants is causally related to fatal anaphylaxis, a rare and severe inflammatory reaction. These and other findings about childhood vaccines, SIDS, and other types of sudden unexpected death in infancy (SUDI) do not warrant a review of the childhood vaccination schedule, the report concluded.

"Although the timing of infant vaccinations coincides with the period when SIDS is most likely to occur, parents should rest assured that the number and variety of childhood vaccines do not cause SIDS," said Marie McCormick, chair of the committee that wrote the report and professor and chair, department of maternal and child health, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston. "We do not have the data that would definitively answer all questions about links between vaccines and SIDS and other forms of sudden, unexpected death in infancy. However, we believe that the data we do have, along with the increasing rarity of these kinds of infant deaths, make a review of the vaccine schedule unnecessary."

American children routinely receive five vaccines against seven infectious agents before age 1: the DTaP vaccine -- which contains a different form of the pertussis component than DTwP, which it replaced in the United States in 1997 -- and vaccines against Haemophilus influenzae type b, hepatitis B (HepB), polio, and pneumococcal bacteria. Although HepB is given to newborns, the others typically are administered at 2 months of age, with additional doses of certain vaccines given at 4 and 6 months.

SUDI encompasses sudden, unexpected deaths in which there may or may not be a clear cause of death. SIDS is the diagnosis most often given for infant deaths that occur without warning and for which no cause is identified. Medical researchers have not reached consensus on the risk factors for SIDS or how it occurs, although current guidelines to place babies on their backs or sides to sleep are based on theories that the prone position may contribute to SIDS. Another possible explanation, the "triple-risk" hypothesis, postulates that SIDS may occur through the interaction of an underlying biological vulnerability, a critical development period, and exposure to an outside trigger. It has been speculated that vaccination may act as such a trigger. Further research could show that there are many causes of SIDS.

Evidence from studies based on human exposure is strong enough to favor rejection of any causal connection between SIDS and multiple doses of different vaccines. In addition, the report reaffirmed previous findings that SIDS is not linked to the older DTwP. Because the currently used DTaP vaccine has fewer side effects than DTwP, the committee found no reason to suspect any link between DTaP and SIDS. However, without sufficient or adequate evidence available, the committee could not definitively reject a link between DTaP and SIDS. Evidence was also insufficient or inadequate to determine whether relationships exist between other individual vaccines and SIDS.

Although some research suggests that an abnormal immune response to common respiratory bacteria or viruses may be a factor in SIDS, there are no studies demonstrating the ability of vaccines to provoke abnormal inflammatory responses of the kinds seen in some SIDS cases. The committee concluded that the ability of vaccines to act as triggers of SIDS is only theoretical. A similar conjecture that fever or other common side effects of vaccination could spur an acute metabolic reaction in babies with an innate metabolic condition is also theoretical.

Although very rare, anaphylaxis from any cause -- such as a food, drug, or environmental allergen -- can lead to sudden, unexpected death. On the basis of a well-documented case of fatal anaphylactic shock in twin babies that occurred after each received a second dose of diphtheria toxoid and whole-cell pertussis vaccine (DwP), the committee concluded that the evidence favors acceptance of a link between this vaccine and infant death due to anaphylaxis. The case occurred in 1946, however, and the committee did not find any other well-documented reports of infant deaths related to anaphylaxis following vaccination, despite the widespread use of childhood vaccines during the 57 years since that case. Moreover, DwP is no longer used in the United States.

While the number and variety of vaccines infants receive is not linked to SIDS, there is not enough evidence to determine whether exposure to multiple different vaccines is causally linked to SUDI in general. Evidence also is not sufficient or adequate to determine if HepB, the only vaccine given to newborns, is linked to neonatal deaths, the report says.

A standard definition of SUDI should be developed, and criteria related to SIDS and SUDI should be consistently applied for research and reporting purposes. Comprehensive postmortem work-ups should be performed on all infants who die suddenly and unexpectedly, the report says.

The number of infant deaths declined between 1990 and 2000, dropping from 9.2 deaths per 1,000 live births to 6.9 per 1,000, the lowest infant mortality rate ever recorded in the United States. Because SUDI are difficult to define, there are no data on the national rate of SUDI in the United States. SIDS is the leading diagnosis for postneonatal death -- death occurring after the first 27 days -- and there were 2,523 deaths attributed to SIDS in the United States in 2000. The rate of SIDS has been declining over the past several years.

This study is the sixth in a series of eight on vaccine safety sponsored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. The Institute of Medicine is a private, nonprofit institution that provides health policy advice under a congressional charter granted to the National Academy of Sciences. A committee roster follows.

Copies of Immunization Safety Review: Vaccinations and Sudden Unexpected Death in Infancy will be available later this year from the National Academies Press; tel. (202) 334-3313 or 1-800-624-6242 or on the Internet at Reporters may obtain a pre-publication copy from the Office of News and Public Information (contacts listed above).

# # #

Board on Health Promotion and Disease Prevention

Immunization Safety Review Committee

Marie C. McCormick, M.D., Sc.D. (chair)
Professor and Chair
Department of Maternal and Child Health
Harvard School of Public Health

Ronald Bayer, Ph.D. *
Division of Sociomedical Sciences
Joseph L. Mailman School of Public Health
Columbia University
New York City

Alfred Berg, M.D., M.P.H.
Professor and Chair
Department of Family Medicine
School of Medicine
University of Washington

Rosemary Casey, M.D.
Associate Professor of Pediatrics
Jefferson Medical College, and
Lankenau Faculty Pediatrics
Wynnewood, Pa.

Joshua Cohen, Ph.D.
Senior Research Associate
Harvard Center for Risk Analysis
Harvard School of Public Health

Betsy Foxman, Ph.D.
Department of Epidemiology
School of Public Health
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor

Constantine Gatsonis, Ph.D.
Professor of Medical Science and Applied Mathematics, and
Director, Center for Statistical Sciences
Brown University
Providence, R.I.

Steven Goodman, M.D., M.H.S., Ph.D. *
Associate Professor
Department of Oncology
Division of Biostatistics
School of Medicine
Johns Hopkins University

Ellen Horak, M.S.N.
Education and Nurse Consultant
Public Health Certification Program
Public Management Center
University of Kansas

Michael Kaback, M.D.
Professor of Pediatrics and Reproductive Medicine
University of California
San Diego

Gerald Medoff, M.D.
Department of Internal Medicine
School of Medicine
Washington University
St. Louis

Rebecca Parkin, Ph.D.
Associate Research Professor
Department of Occupational and Environmental Health
School of Public Health and Health Services
George Washington University
Washington, D.C.

Bennett A. Shaywitz, M.D.
Center for the Study of Learning and Attention, and
Professor of Pediatrics and Neurology
School of Medicine
Yale University
New Haven, Conn.

Christopher Wilson, M.D.
Professor and Chair
Department of Immunology
University of Washington


Kathleen Stratton, Ph.D.
Study Director

* Did not attend the meeting on the topic of this report

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Thu, 10-23-2008 - 5:59pm
Read the book:
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Registered: 06-05-2008
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 6:00pm
PS I have never had the flu while pregnant.
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Registered: 07-17-2005
Thu, 10-23-2008 - 7:52pm
I just got out of my van. I made it home alive even though deaths by car accident DO happen. AND they happen a million times more frequent than death by complications of some disease (that's rare to begin with).

Edited 10/23/2008 7:54 pm ET by crunchymomto2
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Registered: 10-25-2008
Sat, 10-25-2008 - 12:45pm
I'll bet you had a seat belt on though correct? just like wearing your seat belt as a protective device in a car is like getting a vaccine as a protective mechanism. get it?
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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sat, 10-25-2008 - 1:25pm
I do have a reason to wear my seatbelt. It's the law. Now do I have a reason to get all worried over a disease that I may or may not get and then worry over complications that I may or may not get? I can't think of one.