New to non-vax stuff

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Registered: 11-13-2007
New to non-vax stuff
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Fri, 01-08-2010 - 10:22pm

I need Vax help.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 01-08-2010 - 11:07pm

I *give* dirty looks when my friends and family tell about getting their flu shots ;)

Welcome to the board! I hope we can answer your questions. What you should know up front is that most doctors don't read the new discoveries about vaccines. I don't think they ever bother to read the package inserts either. They don't have time, they don't know about the newest discoveries, and there's other reasons too I'm sure. For the record, I am against vaccinating but I wasn't always against it - so my oldest is partially vaccinated (on a delayed and selective schedule), the youngest (and healthiest) did not get a single vaccine, nor will she ever as long as I'm
her Mom. I regret the ones my son got, but he was not harmed unless you consider his seasonal allergies. Personally, I consider allergies to be caused by vaccination. I came to that conclusion after reading about asthma. Allergies are autoimmune diseases if I'm not mistaken and the latest study is one of many with similar conclusions. Do a search on this forum (find messages about _________) for "autoimmune" and you will find it, it's pretty recent. That is not the first study I've read leading me to believe that vaccines do cause allergies. I like that one because it states very clearly that autoimmune diseases are caused by over-stimulating the immune system with vaccines.

I knew a lady who's doctor refused to deliver her baby for the same reasons. She also found a different doctor, and she also had a natural birth, baby was big, but her hips knew to open up and they did! No health issues with either.

Read here for a little bit and then ask specific questions that you think your doctor may ask. You may be better off printing peer-reviewed pieces and handing it to him. I did that once and I wonder if he bothered to read them. Actually, it may be best if you just find a no-vaccine friendly doctor. Dr. Sears lists a few on his website but you can find them if you look hard enough.

http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/Vaccine_Friendly_Doctors.asp

Also, if you are on facebook - search for Sherri Tenpenny, Neil Miller and Andrew Maulden. With little tidbits of info, you will be led to all sorts of education about vaccines. I am having a hard time keeping up there's so much out there. However, you won't find anti-vaccine info without knowing specifically what to look for. The pharmaceutical companies keep the search engines manned 24/7 to insure that only pro-vaccine pieces stay at the top.

Also - What is "kiwi"?

Thanks!

And like I said, read for a while, respond to every thread that brings up a question - we'll be happy to answer it and hopefully provide you with some respected (for what its worth) articles to review. There's a lot of reading here but I can tell you this place is an endless pit of information so it can be overwhelming.

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Sat, 01-09-2010 - 5:10am

Hello Sara! Congrats on your VBAC! I suggest picking up a copy of Robert Sears' The Vaccine Book.

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Sat, 01-09-2010 - 5:20am
Oh and you can halt vaccinations at any time but you may not receive full or any protection if you do not complete a series- like with the DTaP a child is not considered protected at all until the primary series is complete (after the 3

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iVillage Member
Registered: 11-13-2007
Sat, 01-09-2010 - 9:35pm

Thanks for all the responses.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 01-10-2010 - 12:19am

I cannot believe I've never heard of that! I read all the time, and its usually medical stuff I'm reading. I guess vacuuming the baby out would be better than forceps? I have a damaged skull from those being used on my mom. (Explains a lot, lol)

I meant to also tell you that my son only had one MMR, and one of several other vaccines. Like Charlotte said though - it is not a problem stopping if that's what you choose, but be aware the child is not immune. But even with all the boosters, you stand the same exact risk. Here you will find a lot about vaccine failures. Primary is when shots don't work at all but since no one is ever tested, we don't know how often that occurs. The other vaccine failure is called "secondary". They don't test for that either, the only way anyone knows is because they came down with the disease after they got all the boosters. Or some people perform titers - I'm sure you know about those tests, considering your career choice.

I'm Dana, but I answer to "crunchy" too :) although I'm really not crunchy in the sense you might think. I got that title from my pregnancy board over 10 yrs ago. I was very very pro-natural birth, but that's pretty much the extent of my *crunchiness*.

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Sun, 01-10-2010 - 5:26am

I am not sure what you mean by no one is tested? How would you go about testing for a vaccine antibodies after a failure? your body has produced antibodies for the disease.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 01-10-2010 - 6:07pm

Yeah, you are right and when I worded that that way, it did occur to me that it sounded as if they always fail. I was in hurry, and in a 'mood' at the same time, sorry.

As far as titers go, no, I don't think we should check every child after each vaccine. BUT - something I noticed is that I can't find studies proving efficacy. It just seems like doing titers on a few thousand kids across the country would tell science A LOT about the efficacy of each vaccine. Of course it would need to be a long-term study. To me, that seems much more worthy than spending thousands to do tests on mice.

But maybe there's something I have yet to learn - ARE there studies like this that I don't know about? If no, then can someone explain why?

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-06-2009
Mon, 01-11-2010 - 11:11am

When my two boys were born, natural mid-wife supervised, there was no thought about not vaccinating.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2008
Mon, 01-11-2010 - 12:52pm

Hi Sara.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 11-06-2009
Mon, 01-11-2010 - 2:47pm

Not that I don't trust NVIC, I don't, here is the state site for the code governing immunizations;


http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/028/chapter23/subchapCtoc.html


As information, Pennsylvania (a commonwealth) requires immunizations in provate and public school.

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