New to non-vax stuff

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Registered: 11-13-2007
New to non-vax stuff
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Fri, 01-08-2010 - 10:22pm

I need Vax help.

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Registered: 11-06-2009
Thu, 02-04-2010 - 2:51pm
I would always support breast milk, for many of your own reasons, over formula.
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Registered: 10-18-2007
Wed, 01-20-2010 - 10:30pm

Fear based philosophy? Please furnish me the evidence that supports the universal use of Hepatitis B vaccine on newborns (within 2 weeks).

I like the way you disregard the fact that I have vaccinated people in my house and focus on the only that isn't. Those are the ones that will come home not showing proper symptoms to the 'VPD's to which they've been exposed. Antibodies don't mean squat when it comes to mounting an appropriate defense to not only attack and destroy 'pathogens' but to ALSO clear them. My current position is simply less irrational, I suspect many others like me can completely understand what I mean by that.

Are you now going to tell me that formula is just as good (a very important confounding factor by the way)? I'll not be defending breastmilk for you tonight, but you are totally welcome at the BF vs. FF debate. Breastmilk is the humble medium that houses beneficial, LIVE bacteria. Not alive? If you say so.

With the exception of donor milk, it is not dead and pasteurized. The literature is literally filled with studies that have examined the gut flora of both FF and BF children and found that FF children have micrflora that can become opportunistic and invasive in the right circumstance.

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Registered: 11-06-2009
Wed, 01-20-2010 - 1:46pm

Jamie,


You undo your own argument in the very first paragraph by listing Ian's death as part and parcel of your own fear based philosophy.

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Wed, 01-20-2010 - 1:30pm

It is you and the other anti-vax people who are sensationalising this issue, creating a "manufactroversey" where one really doesn't exist.

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Registered: 11-06-2009
Wed, 01-20-2010 - 10:40am

"I'm glad you are continuing to say that vaccines are not 100% safe and effective. The problem, is that oftentimes you construct your sentences as if to imply it - then when called on it, you do an about face then criticize your opponent for asking for something impossible or engaging in rhetorical arguments. Your insinuation that the anti-vax camp uses this as a soapbox to circulate said rhetorical arguments... I have seen that. There is no need to sensationalize the issue."


It is you and the other anti-vax people who are sensationalising this issue, creating a "manufactroversey" where one really doesn't exist.

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-06-2009
Wed, 01-20-2010 - 10:28am

Huh.

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Registered: 10-10-2004
Tue, 01-19-2010 - 11:39pm

wow you enjoy scare tactic don't you.

Most people that don't vaccinate don't care one way or another about herd immunity, we just aren't scared of our children getting sick and we educate ourselves on how to take care of them if they do. It's a pretty simple strategy my mother, grandmother and great grandmother all seemed to have followed the plan without complications as have I. Herd immunity never even crossed my mind when making the decision, in fact I didn't even hear the term until long after I made the decision and it was from a very pro vaccine person not an anti one, interestingly enough.

As for not being admitted to a private daycare based on vaccine status well that was misleading at best.

First many states have specific laws preventing any childcare place from discriminating against a child, by declining them care, based on a medical issue. Vaccination status is a medical issue.

Second it is a rare childcare place that is truly private. If they accept any type of federal government money then they are not allowed to discriminate based on medical status per federal rules. These monies include food reimbursement programs, social service childcare contracts, grants and so many other forms. A place may call itself private but when it comes down to it few really are so there are usually plenty of others to go to if one is being terribly anal and is really private.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Fri, 01-15-2010 - 2:09pm

I believe where this becomes an issue for those that don't vacc are blanket statements that are made. Agree - nothing stated about 100% anything. What however is stated (usually) to one that doesn't know better or doesn't read for themselves is: "the(this) vaccine(s) is perfectly safe and very effective".

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Fri, 01-15-2010 - 12:26pm

I'm extrapolating as is practical or previously demonstrated. I've not followed up in some time to see the current state of affairs, so a number of studies I have bookmarked are 10 years or older. So, to be fair, I should probably follow up on some of the issues that I first uncovered that created pause for me. They could very well be absolved and my skepticism as it relates to cross contamination unfounded.

I can only partially agree as it relates to perceived reality in the system. It is heavily biased, and in some cases borders on propaganda. I'm glad you are continuing to say that vaccines are not 100% safe and effective. The problem, is that oftentimes you construct your sentences as if to imply it - then when called on it, you do an about face then criticize your opponent for asking for something impossible or engaging in rhetorical arguments. Your insinuation that the anti-vax camp uses this as a soapbox to circulate said rhetorical arguments... I have seen that. There is no need to sensationalize the issue.

I am trying to illustrate issues with production and protocol that fuel the decisions for those that feel there is a safer WAY to vaccinate. I have a tendency to feel that children under the age of two are more susceptible to a variety of issues simply due to the critical stages of development undergone in the first 24 months. Physiologically, this viewpoint is substantiated.

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Registered: 11-06-2009
Fri, 01-15-2010 - 11:46am

Huh.

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