New to non-vax stuff

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Registered: 11-13-2007
New to non-vax stuff
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Fri, 01-08-2010 - 10:22pm

I need Vax help.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Tue, 01-12-2010 - 8:14am

I love NVIC, probably one of the best groups out there in terms of vaccine informity. The founder has great integrity; I greatly admire that.

Rands

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Tue, 01-12-2010 - 10:52am

Seems easier to just assume they

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Registered: 11-06-2009
Tue, 01-12-2010 - 1:56pm

Wow, nice rhetoric;


"The likes of Jon are content to

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Tue, 01-12-2010 - 2:38pm

"Areas of reduced vaccine coverage have been subject to reintroduction of previously eradicated diseases.

Rands

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Tue, 01-12-2010 - 2:58pm

Wow, nice rhetoric;


Thanks.

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Registered: 11-06-2009
Tue, 01-12-2010 - 8:38pm

Jamie,


You are, without a doubt, a Jethro Tull song.

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Registered: 11-06-2009
Tue, 01-12-2010 - 8:47pm

Your statement of high vaccination rates being susceptible to outbreaks needs substantiation.

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Tue, 01-12-2010 - 10:51pm

And that would make you, a Weird Al Yankovic song.

There is no assumption as to what "vaccine-preventable" is supposed to mean, despite its misuse among you and yours.

I think what you really mean is:

1) Vaccine available diseases WERE a real threat to human health OF SOME INDIVIDUALS, and this has translated into an irrational fear over "germs" that could cover the globe twice.

2) Vaccines are manufactured, tested, and monitored in direct equivalence to the amount of money willing to spend on it. We don't test cell lines for cross-contamination, mycoplasma or otherwise and quite frankly, until you make us - we ain't gonna. We outsource roughly 60% of the manufacture and have no idea if those labs overseas conform to our own SOPs, and in the end - who's gonna care as long as its cost effective? As to being tested well... we tested 147 infants and adolescents before telling the USA to vaccinate all newborns, isn't that good enough for you? Good grief.

3) Vaccines are not perfect and do contain risks. I just talk outside of the other side of my mouth when I tell you that they are perfectly safe and harbor no risks and that they prevent deadly diseases.

4) Science is self correcting, subject to review and debate... as long as you aren't asking questions about vaccines.

5) Areas of uncertainty are, by and large, ignored until the problem gets so big, you cannot avoid it.

My position?

1) Vaccine available diseases are like all other diseases. They require knowledge of symptomalogy, and patient care. Focusing of the diagnosis instead of the patient is a fundamental mistake made by most clinicians in the 21st century.

2) Vaccine manufacture is wrought with regulatory loopholes that allow the "safety" of the biologic to actually kill its recipient. Don't blame me, blame the regs.

3) All vaccines have the potential to create an anaphylactic response in its recipient. Charles Richet recognized it in 1902, later getting a Nobel Prize in 1913, when he injected organic substances into dogs in miniscule amounts (blood, etc...) far less than the amount of any vaccine given on the schedule today. Some of those dogs died as a result. Somehow the thought that the very same could be experienced by the very young human baby escapes vaccine pushers.

4) Science is an ideal to which all in the field should aspire. Those watching on the sidelines would be gullible if they believed that when humans actually begin to apply said ideals, that they are exempt from corruption. Greed has plagued every civilization before this one... why is this one different? Why does science, funded largely by publicly traded corporations, get a hall pass? They're the ones concealing harmful data, not me. Maybe you should ask them.

5) Anecdotes are largely ignored by the scientific community, at their own peril. Only a self righteous bigot would go into a community of parents, preach about the necessity of vaccination, then ignore their stories of horror. To then have the audacity to admonish them when they try to treat their issues in a non-invasive manner, GFCF diet for example... eek... thinner bones? Sure, if you compare to a child artificially fed cow's milk and their derivatives.... why are you surprised? People with a grasp of physiology and evolution aren't, we'll just spread unnecessary doubt for the sake of being evidence-based.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Wed, 01-13-2010 - 8:34am

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14993534


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm58d1112a1.htm?s_cid=mm58d1112a1_e


May I safely assume that I don't need to go into the flu outbreaks given the guess work of what strains may appear per annum? In addition to the efficacy of the influenza vaccine itself?


Your rights, as God given under the Constitution, also require a social responsibility.

Rands

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Wed, 01-13-2010 - 11:13am
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