Ya gotta love the creativity.
Much easier to blame the adolescent and older population for increased disease incidence, then out of the other side of their mouths explain to us uneducated nutbags that unvaccinated people are safe because they've created herd immunity for us. Yes?
Never mind pertussis creating an asymptomatic reservoir in vaccinated people, at least their symptoms were milder right? Those milder symptoms allowed them to circulate amongst the herd quietly spreading disease and that is a-okay because they performed their societal obligation to get jabbed to protect those that can't protect themselves.
Pertussis and Hib are two of THE most circular arguments in existence. I recently watched a discussion among a provaxxer and an antivaxxer (I guess he/she was, seemed kind of neutral, just not in denial and bending over backwards to defend vaccines) and the provaxxer said that the Tdap vaccine he/she had just received would at least prevent her/him from infecting a defenseless infant, and when the opponent addressed the problems with pertussis vaccine the argument went something like "it's known it doesn't protect everyone" - or something completely contradictory like that. Usually looks something like this:
>>"I got vaccinated therefore I am protected and will not spread disease"
**"Disease outbreaks occur regularly in fully vaccinated populations"
>>"Well, the vaccine isn't 100% effective, and doesn't work for everyone, that's why everyone should participate in the vaccine program"
**"If you don't know who will or will not seroconvert, how can you say you're protected and won't spread disease... pertussis in particular creates a carrier state in its host. Clinical trials don't contain bona-fide control groups, so you don't know how unvaccinated people react. Sure, the symptoms are usually milder in vaccinated people, but how does that protect those too young or those that can't be vaccinated if you're walking around spreading pertussis and you don't know it?"
>>"There is no credible scientific evidence that shows vaccines cause autism, or that kids are receiving too many shots too soon"
**"Who said anything about autism... or the shot schedule? We're talking about pertussis vaccine. But since you mentioned it, why did we go from 5 vaccines over the age of two, to about 36 under the age of two in about 3 decades or so? Where is the scientific evidence that supports this increase, and are we positively sure we aren't aggravating a developing immune system and affecting its ability to respond later in life?"
>>"Do you have any evidence for your claim?"
**"I didn't make one? Someone did though, in order to change the schedule from what my generation got to what today's generation gets. Haven't scientists calculated the rate of evolution to be somewhere around .5% per million years? A few decades is what? A piss shake? I guess time will tell how well humans evolve to handle artificial immune stimulation. Pertussis isn't running around piercing the skin of its host and being delivered with two other antigens, an adjuvant, and a host of other synthetic / organic compounds"
>>"You antivaxxers are all alike. You present no evidence for your claims and you are endangering society."
You get total deflection and they post links to children coughing violently, etc..., asking you to provide evidence that the shot is worse than the disease, and then THEY turn around and accuse you of fear-mongering and being pro-disease.
Geez, I'm in a bad mood today.
Actually no. I've just been on the anti side so much (without sarcasm) and have received so much of the pro side that it flows off of my hands effortlessly.
Sad. I know.