PLEASE Vaccinate!

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PLEASE Vaccinate!
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Mon, 08-25-2003 - 8:53pm
One of my twins (age 10) contracted Whooping cough (Pertussus)at the end of this last school year (June 2003). She went more than three weeks before she was diagnosed, because apparently most doctors have never seen or treated it before, and because she has asthma and some of the symptoms are similar. Her school KNEW there were children who had it, but did NOT notfy the parents, due to fear of a budget shortfall. They were apparently afraid that a great number of parents would pull their children out of school when they heard about the outbreak. Well, I would have been one of them! MY daughter, being 3 pounds at birth, had a severe reaction to her first DPT shot at age 2 months. Therefore, the pediatrician did NOT want her vaccinated against the Pertussus. This is why she contracted it at age 10. The source of her contamination, according to the school? Parents who refused to vaccinate their children. We do not live in an area where there is a great deal of immigrants, which is another likely source for communicable diseases in this country. My daughter nearly died four times because of this disease, which is actually quite easily cured when caught early enough (5 days on oral erthyramycin). She was hospitalized 4 times during her three week ordeal. Please, do your child a favor and save lives, vaccinate your child. A VERY, VERY. VERY small number of children like my daughter cannot be vaccinated. I understand that. To protect them, PLEASE vaccinate your child unless you have a medical reason to do so otherwise. I am still very angry at the parents who deliberately (in my opinion) put my child's life in danger because of their selfish or self-centered attitudes. I am a biologist. I know very well the pros and cons of vaccinations. I know as much as most scientists do about how viruses, bacteria (Pertussus is actually a bacteria not a virus, as many are lead to believe)and vaccinations are controlled and how they proliferate, and in almost every case, the pros outweigh the cons for vaccinating your child. Please, do not be the cause of the death of a child. There is a REASON we vaccinate children! It is NOT to make money. In every state you can vaccinate your child for free. MOST of the diseases we vaccinate for have the capacity to cause death, especially in infants, the eldery and children with medical conditions (like my daughter's asthma). I beg you to think about your own child's health as well. Infants who get whooping cough (it is EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY contagious!!!) often die of it. They cough so hard they stop breathing. My daughter vomited for 5 weeks because the cough was so severe it damaged her diaphragm, which constantly pushed on her stomach any time she had food in there and every time she coughed. She ONLY weighed 50 pounds before she got it, and is now at 45 pounds at age 10! She is petite, yes, but lost weight due to the vomiting and stopped breathing many times (hence the hospitalizations) due to the severity of the cough. Though she has been treated and is no longer contagious, she still coughs constantly and may do so for the rest of her life. The doctor said her lungs may have been permanently affected. I do not wish this on ANYONE!!! Please, just really think about my daughter Sami and other children before you say NO to vaccinating your child. Thank you.

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Mon, 08-25-2003 - 10:24pm
""MY daughter, being 3 pounds at birth, had a severe reaction to her first DPT shot at age 2 months.""

And because some kids HAVE such severe reactions, many of us choose NOT to vaccinate. It's impossible to know what kind of reaction they will have until they have the vaccine, and that's just not a risk many of us are willing to take.

""The source of her contamination, according to the school? Parents who refused to vaccinate their children.""

BS! The kids who were vaccinated could very easily have been CARRYING the disease, but were asymptomatic due to being vaccinated. It wasn't the kids who were NOT vaccinated, it was the kids who WERE vaccinated.

""A VERY, VERY. VERY small number of children like my daughter cannot be vaccinated. I understand that. To protect them, PLEASE vaccinate your child unless you have a medical reason to do so otherwise.""

Ok. So I'll vaccinate my child, and after s/he has a reaction to the vaccine, I'll know if there's a medical reason to do otherwise. Some of us don't want to risk that first bad reaction! As in my nephew's case, it only took once. There's a controversy over vaccines being safe or (from my reading) effective, so many are choosing NOT to because they're not sure which is safer: to vaccinate, or not to vaccinate.

""I am still very angry at the parents who deliberately (in my opinion) put my child's life in danger because of their selfish or self-centered attitudes.""

Self-centered?? Selfish?? The jury still seems to be out on the safety and efficacy of vaccines, so choosing not to vaccinate, in many cases, has to do with concerns over the safety of the vaccines, not selfishiness. I believe that the way you've worded this is selfish, because you're asking us to forego protecting our children from what WE believe is a greater risk so that YOUR child is safer.

""I am a biologist. I know very well the pros and cons of vaccinations. I know as much as most scientists do about how viruses, bacteria (Pertussus is actually a bacteria not a virus, as many are lead to believe)and vaccinations are controlled and how they proliferate, and in almost every case, the pros outweigh the cons for vaccinating your child.""

As I said before, judging by the large amount of controversy regarding what is IN the vaccines (not just the pathogen, but the preservatives and such), possible links to autism and other illnesses, cases of death or permanent injury as a result of vaccines...it makes sense that there are some who do NOT wish to take that risk. Now that I am the aunt of a vaccine-injured child, I am VERY seriously considering not vaccinating.

""MOST of the diseases we vaccinate for have the capacity to cause death, especially in infants, the eldery and children with medical conditions (like my daughter's asthma).""

Any disease has the capacity to cause death in infants and elderly, or anyone for that matter. The vaccines also have the capacity to injure and cause death. I'm not saying they all WILL, or they all DO, but it does happen, and it's enough to make some of us stop and think before we vaccinate. It's a question of weighing the risk. I need to find the statistic, but I recall reading that the risk of getting pertussis these days was like 1 in 15000, but the risk of injury from the vaccine was 1 in 1500 (I gotta find that website again...the numbers aren't coming to me exactly, but you get the idea). The question is which risk is a parent willing to take.

""Please, just really think about my daughter Sami and other children before you say NO to vaccinating your child. Thank you.""

And please think of my autistic nephew Keith before you assume we are all being "selfish" for not vaccinating.

Lori

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Tue, 08-26-2003 - 12:28am
<< MY daughter, being 3 pounds at birth, had a severe reaction to her first DPT shot at age 2 months. Therefore, the pediatrician did NOT want her vaccinated against the Pertussus. This is why she contracted it at age 10>>

Even if your daughter was vaccinated in infancy, she could still have contracted pertussis. 'Protection' from the vaccine is shortlived, and vaccination does not always translate to 'immunity'


<< The source of her contamination, according to the school? Parents who refused to vaccinate their children>>


Did you know that a major source of pertussis in babies/children is adults? At any one time only about 10 - 15% (approx) of the total population could even be considered to be 'immune' to pertussis. Children are not the sole transmitters of disease.



<< Please, do your child a favor and save lives, vaccinate your child. A VERY, VERY. VERY small number of children like my daughter cannot be vaccinated. I understand that. To protect them, PLEASE vaccinate your child unless you have a medical reason to do so otherwise. I am still very angry at the parents who deliberately (in my opinion) put my child's life in danger because of their selfish or self-centered attitudes>>

Sorry, but you cannot expect other people who are fundamentally opposed to vaccination to toss their concerns aside and vaccinate their kids because vaccines cannot be given to certain sections of the public. If vaccines are too dangerous to be given to some in the community I really don't see why those opposed to vaccinations should be held accountable for the problem. Vaccine makers are pouring big money into research for potential money spinners such as those for self inflicted conditions like smoking and cocaine addiction and non life threatening things such as acne, to name a very few. Perhaps they should concentrate on making the vaccines for the so called VPD's safe (and effective) for all before anything else. A question for you: Would you go ahead with a medical procedure for your child that you were fundamentally opposed to, or which you deemed not in the best interests of your child, effectively putting the 'good of the community' above the good of your own child?



<<......the pros outweigh the cons for vaccinating your child. Please, do not be the cause of the death of a child. There is a REASON we vaccinate children!....

MOST of the diseases we vaccinate for have the capacity to cause death, especially in infants, the eldery and children with medical conditions (like my daughter's asthma)>>

I have to ask you... are you and the rest of your family (and extended family) vaccinated for every disease for which there is a vaccine available, lest you be the cause of illness/death in any of the groups you mention. Do you get a flu vaccine every year, for instance, in case you transmit the flu to an infant or elderly person? Personally, I don't know a single person who has had any vaccinations (other then TD) since childhood (except for some o/s travel)



<< I beg you to think about your own child's health as well>>

I don't vaccinate because I think the 'true' road to disease resistance is through a good diet and lifestyle. Which, for me, means my kids do not (for the most part) eat red meat, chicken, dairy products, white flour products, soft drinks and the other usual fare of kids these days (AKA SAD - Standard Australian/American Diet) I simply believe that no amount of injected virus/chemicals/junk can make a child 'healthy' and I'm not convinced there are no long term consequences of such a practice, beginning almost from the moment of birth. If diet and lifestyle is acknowledged (even by many doctors) as a preventative for such serious diseases as diabetes, heart disease, many cancers etc then I fail to see why it would not pay a large role in the body's ability to defend itself from infectious diseases as well. Just my view, of course

I am sorry your daughter had such a hard time with pertussis, no one likes to hear of children suffering, for whatever reason.

Jan

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Tue, 08-26-2003 - 9:23am
Welcome to the board -- and so sorry to hear about what you and Sami went through. Yours is not the first Pertussis horror story we have seen here, but it was a compelling reminder of how nasty this disease really is. What a nightmare that must have been for your family.

Be aware that many regular posters here are completely anti-vaccine, and will not be convinced otherwise by your story or anything else. But there are lurkers who read posts here who need to know what vaccine-preventable disease can really do. Anti-vaccination web sites often make these diseases sound benign, or make Pertussis sound dangerous only for tiny newborns. Obviously this is not the whole truth.

A question for you -- did Sami's twin have any reaction to the vaccines? Did the twin have the shots, and not get sick with whooping cough? That is my assumption from your post, but I wasn't completely sure. If that is correct, it is good to know the vaccine still gave protection to the twin at age 10.

Thanks for posting -- and just in case you are a sensitive type, please don't be upset if the anti-vaxx responses catch you off-guard. We all have our children's best interests in mind, but the extremes of our philosophies on how to accomplish this lead to sometimes firey debate around here!!

Keeley

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Tue, 08-26-2003 - 11:04am
Yours is a powerful post- and I am sorry for the suffering your DD has had as a result of pertussis. If you don't mind, I'd like to ask one thing- were there confirmed cases in the school where your daughters attended?

I thought that the health dpeartment or state would require notification of parents when pertussis, being a communicable disease, was present in the schools. I would dog the school for that omission of information- perhaps talk to an attorney.

Good lcuk with your daughter~ please keep us posted! miki

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Tue, 08-26-2003 - 11:30am
I am so sorry to hear about the horrible ordeal your daughter went through, unfortunately it seems as though your school and doctors truly failed you, more your school then anyone! I have studied research biology for years and I did vaccinate my first two children, I then started to research them more closely and was very shocked at what I was finding. It is actually more likely that a child that is vaccinated gave whooping cough to a child who was non-vaccinated, this is how we still have small cases of polio in are country as well. My girlfriend is a attorney and she has found some very scarry research on this subject. My last child who was born very early and spent much of her time in the hospital in the beggining of her life, is now 1yrs old and has never been vaccinated. She has not been ill once since she has was born, and is actually the healthiest child I have ever had, I attribute this greatly to her not being vaccinated. I truly urge people to look into the issues of vaccinating, even though some children do get free vaccinations

The drug company's do make 1 billion dollars a year on EACH vaccination. Money makes the world go around and it takes some very brave people to go against the grain. I had a doctor send me this website www.mercola.com/forms/vaccine_video.htm It will help people to make an informed decision based on fact not a mother on a rant. Because personally I cant make my decision based on a mother who says "dont immunize" I needed more more concrete proof of why not too, and I did recieve that!!
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Tue, 08-26-2003 - 7:14pm
>>>MY daughter, being 3 pounds at birth, had a severe reaction to her first DPT shot at age 2 months. Therefore, the pediatrician did NOT want her vaccinated against the Pertussus.<<<<

My son also suffered a severe reaction to the pertussis vax at 2 mths. We said "forget this!". Good call by your ped, imo, based on the evidence that children who react in such a manner are more likely to react again and/or more severely with subsequent doses.


>>>This is why she contracted it at age 10.<<<


Actually, the vaccine confered immunity tends to wane after 7 -10 yrs or so, and there is currently no approved booster for those past 7 yrs of age. Many who are fully vaccinated as infants/children lack immunity at 10 yrs of age.


>>>The source of her contamination, according to the school? Parents who refused to vaccinate their children.<<<


LOL! This being the same school which failed to inform parents of the outbreak to begin with? They wouldn't have much credibility with me, jmo.

Besides, see above; how many infants/young children do they have enrolled along with the 10 yr olds? 'cause those are the only ones for whom vaccination against this illness is particularly relevant. NEITHER the illness OR the vaccine confers lifelong immunity.

Adults are the richest source of infection, often not exhibiting the "classic" symptoms often seen in children and so going undiagnosed.

Fact is, pertussis is on the rise nationwide, despite all time high levels of pertussis vaccination. "Experts are baffled", LOL! (actual quote I read in an article on the subject) Much easier to blame such outbreaks on the "unvaccinated" than to deal with the implications of outbreaks in a highly vaxed population.

Kimberly

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Wed, 08-27-2003 - 5:37am
Kimberley,

there is a dTaP/IPV booster for children and adults approved in Europe - it will only be a matter of time ntil it reaches the US

Catherina

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Wed, 08-27-2003 - 11:42pm
Lori -

>>"but I recall reading that the risk of getting pertussis these days was like 1 in 15000, but the risk of injury from the vaccine was 1 in 1500 (I gotta find that website again...the numbers aren't coming to me exactly, but you get the idea)."<<

Those numbers are based on flawed assumptions. The comparison is usually made between risk of pertussis (ironically, low as the result of vaccination) compared to reported (unconfirmed) temporally related reactions to pertussis vaccine - most would not even be considered "injuries".

>>"And please think of my autistic nephew Keith before you assume we are all being "selfish" for not vaccinating."<<

What does the fact that most of us DO vaccinate have to do with your nephew's autism? For some, I do think there is a large degree of selfishness involved with not vaccinating - the "me, my, mine" attitude with no regard for the health of others. Sorry, but I do find that to be a selfish approach.

Eve

 
 
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Wed, 08-27-2003 - 11:52pm
Jan -

>>"Would you go ahead with a medical procedure for your child that you were fundamentally opposed to, or which you deemed not in the best interests of your child, effectively putting the 'good of the community' above the good of your own child?"<<

What medical intervention/"procedure" other than vaccinations would fit this scenario? I don't think the OP was calling for the "good of the community" to be the ONLY reason to consider vaccination as you seemingly imply.

>>"Perhaps they should concentrate on making the vaccines for the so called VPD's safe (and effective) for all before anything else."<<

What leads you to believe they aren't? The recently introduced Daptacel is an example of ongoing efforts to improve on currently used vaccines.

>>"Personally, I don't know a single person who has had any vaccinations (other then TD) since childhood (except for some o/s travel)"<<

Hm, I guess you don't consider me to be someone you "know". I'll have to keep that in mind the next time you claim to know what I'm thinking.

Eve




 
 
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Wed, 08-27-2003 - 11:58pm
Twinsrock ~

Thanks for sharing your story and hope your DD is recovering. So much attention is paid to the newborns with pertussis who have severe complications and high mortality rate - we tend to forget that older children (and adults too) contract pertussis and have a HORRIBLE time with the disease. The general consensus amongst anti-vaxers seems to be that pertussis disease is "not as bad" as the adverse reaction to pertussis vaccine - not what I've seen in RL - not even close. Take care...

Eve

 
 

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