Prevnar The unintended consequences

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Prevnar The unintended consequences
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Fri, 05-30-2003 - 9:18am
Well, you can't say we weren't warned in advance...

http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030523/05

"Prevnar, a vaccine that is dramatically decreasing the number of American babies' infections from a common but serious bacterium, also increases the number of other infections the babies get..."

Prevnar, a 7-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine marketed by Wyeth, helps prevent routine fevers, headaches, and earaches in young children—as well as rarer, invasive infections with bacterial pneumonia or meningitis—caused by the seven most widespread varieties of 90 types of pneumococcus bacteria. Kids and adults routinely carry all 90 strains in their noses and throats, even when they are not sick.

Prevnar is already becoming somewhat less effective against infections of the middle ear, according to the CDC's Cynthia Whitney. "It's a big headache for us… the numbers just aren't as good as one would like," she said.

Prevnar vaccination also enables a slight increase in middle ear infections caused by two unrelated bacteria. These infections spread more easily because the vaccine wipes out their seven former competitors.

With Prevnar, once it eliminates the seven selected strains, all the others proliferate inside babies' noses and throats, waiting for an opportunity to start an infection or to spread to someone else.

Researchers had hoped that targeting the seven most common strains would provide more protection against the other 83, he explained. But if a replacement vaccine is eventually necessary, Pelton suggests a different approach: If you target something that's in all pneumococci, then you won't have this problem, he said.''

Yep, just fix up the vaccine faux pas with another vaccine.

Here's a run down of the ever increasing required vaccines...

Before starting school, I was required to get around 9 doses total,

by 1984, the required amount of doses, 21

by 1995 that climbed to 32

1999, a grand total of 36, which included 3 doses of the now recalled Rotashield

And even w/those 3 doses being recalled, by 2001, the vaccine manufacturer had made up for the loss by getting 4 doses of their new vaccine added to the schedule...not only did they make up for the lost revenues from the Rotashield, they managed to add a fourth dose of their new vaccine! Replacement and then some...

2001 required doses, 37

2002 the number climbs to 38-40

2003, no changes yet, but don't hold your breath.






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Registered: 04-17-2003
Fri, 05-30-2003 - 3:26pm
Makes me ill. My DS will not receive the last dose of this (hasn't had any vaccines since he was 9 months old) he is now almost 3 years old. He hasn't had one problem since we stopped vaxes. Before when he got them, he was always having diarreah, vomiting, surgery for anal abscess's. I woke up.

My new baby is VACCINE FREE!!!!!!! She is 3 months old. Will she get any? Nope.

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Registered: 03-29-2003
Sat, 05-31-2003 - 9:19am
First and formost PREVNAR is intended for meningitis. The idea that it could help with ear infections was just something they thought would be an added bonus. My oldest daughter has her PREVNAR vax yet still needed tubes. NOT because of her shot but because it was found she had small ear canals. Which we also found out later was a family trait on my DHs side. I think the fact that we have had vertually no problems with children getting sick and dying from meningitis since PREVNAR was introduced shows that this vax works. IMO! I know that last year we had two teens die from this disease. Why was it they died from this? Because they did NOT need to be vaxed for it. I also have a close friend whos son died 5 years ago due to this horriable disease. Thank God she lobbied for this vaccination. IMO.

My daughters have had NO advers reactions to the PREVNAR vaccination and I will be getting our newest baby vaccinated with this after his/her birth in January.

I understand that people are scared but I really want to know what the PROOF is that all these childrens medical issues are IN FACT from vaccinations. My daughter has respitory issues because of a VPD this is a KNOWN fact. Where is the PROOF of these medical issues that are caused by vaccinations? How do we not know that these things are not caused by genetics? Case in point..the friend of my SIL who thought her son was vaccine damaged and that is the cause of his autism...so she did not vax her daughter AT ALL..yet her daughter also is autistic.

Please do not come at me the wrong way...lol..its just something I am interested to know.

God Bless,

Carla

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Sat, 05-31-2003 - 12:19pm
I don't know about the statistics or what not, but I DO know what the devistating effects of Meningitis are first hand. My middle child contracted bacterial meningitis a week before her first birthday...she was VERY lucky to survive.. but she has lifelong damage due to this horrible disease: she had a bilateral stroke, has CP, is deaf, mental retardation, seizures, has a VA-shunt for hydrocephalous and functions at around a 1 yr old level (she is 6yrs old). 6 months later, the Prevnar vaccine came out. I was devistated that it wasn't available sooner. The onset of symptoms in her was 11am, and by 11am the next day she was hospitalized with gran-mal seizures & put on lifesupport. It is VERY fast moving and deadly. My 1 yr old son has had the Prevnar without incident and I did get Jas vacinated when she was recovered.

Just know what type of illness you are dealing with and how it does not discriminate. I never thought something like that could happen.. but it did. And that is how I feel about all of the vaccines.

-Blessings.

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Sat, 05-31-2003 - 3:42pm
Please accept my heartfelt sympahty for all you have gone through. My oldest son had an encephaletic-type reaction to his thris DPT vax back in 1987, and I know how some of that type of brain damage manisfests, and it is devastating to the child, and the whole family. It was so hard to know whether to proceed with the same vax 2 yrs later when we had another son. We did, after much research, thought, discussion and prayer- and he (who's now 13yrs) as well as my 4yr old DD and 2yr old DS have never had any vax reactions.

My oldest son, Nicholas was left with cerebral palsy- spastic quadriparesis- all due to the cortical atrophy. He never had seizures, but had feeding difficulties- G-E reflux & gastritis. He was wheel-chair bound, and needed adductor tenotomy at 5 yrs old, and another at 6yrs old coupled with a hip osteotomy. Unfortunately, when they went in after 6½ wks of a full body spica cast, he acquired an infection that we could not detect. He went septic 2 wks later, and died in my arms hours later.

So I can feel some of your pain- your love for her is boundless I'm sure, but alwasy coupled with regret, what if's, and longing. Huge hugs to you- stay strong~

Miki

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Sat, 05-31-2003 - 4:31pm
Miki,

oh shoot...sorry the hat is there again...

I am wondering was ALL the health issues your son had because of his DTP shot or was he born with a health issue and that is why he may have had a reaction to it?

I know that someone asked me not to long ago if I thought Lindsey's respitory issues were due to her vaccinations. Of course I do not believe for one second that its because of that. Since I watched her suffer through Pertussis. Needless to say she has never been the same, even though she was 5 weeks when diagonosed she never had any respitory issues until she was 3 weeks old. That is when she started with a slight cough.

I am sorry that you and your family had to watch your son suffer like that and of course suffer along with him. Were people shocked that you were going to continue vaccinating your other children?

God Bless..

Carla

Carla,

Mommy to...MariaElena,Lindsey,Jac

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Sat, 05-31-2003 - 8:34pm
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Never been the same? One must ask if that can really be judged based on the age of the child? How can a 5 week old gauge a "never been the same" type idea?

I also wonder about your question to the mother of the child who eventually died as a result of the DTP shot. Why would it be so entirely unbelievable that he ONLY had problems becasue of the shot not despite it? Amazing really to see how some people who so strongly believe in the infallability of vaccines that they search for other possibilities instead of seeing what is right under their noses?

Back to lurkdom, if I don't knock it off I'll be considered a non-lurker from now on, it's just that this week has been quite interesting around these parts.



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Sat, 05-31-2003 - 8:41pm
Hey Carla~ Don't sweat the hat- it gets confusing for metoo- especially when working with more than one window open at a time, LOL~

With Nicholas, he not only was achieving his milestones properly all along, his eating was great, his growth curves a solid 75th%ile. This was for the first 6 months.

Go back to the first DTP at 2months. Nick developed a moderate fever, and just laid there very lethargic. Being my first child, I thought- gee, when I have a fever I sleep a lot too. They had not noted that *ragdoll* effect yet as a sign of an adverse reaction. We noticed his legs quiver now & again- it's called clonus- and it's when the brain sends out a signal to a msucle group to move the leg, but both the muscle group that extends AND the group that contracts are fired off at the same time. I brought all of this up to his ped, who blew me off. After his 3rd shot, he got sick within a week with a VREY high fever, went stiff as a board, was inconsolable, wouldn't eat, wouldn't sleep, acquired tactile defensive behaviors. Infant reflexes which had been previously integrated (moro startle, tonic neck reflex, rooting & babinski ALL came BACK.

Thorugh the deductions of his pediatric gastroenterologist & pediatric neurologist, it was attributed to his DPT vaccines. We changed pediatricians when the ppor guy suffered an ongoing diaper rash for 2 months- and after specifically asking him THREE TIMES if it was yeast rash, being assured it was NOT. I took him to one who had been highly recommneded, and he took one look & said that was the worst yeast rash he ever saw. WE discussed Nick's neuro problems & I asked him if he wanted to take him on, and the rest was history. HE was an excellent advocate for Nicholas, valued me a the most improtant contributor to Nick's care. If I called & said something was off & I wanted him looked at, I was NEVER asked to qualify my reasoning to the nurses. He joined a group not covered by my insurance in 1999, so I switched to another doctor in the practice. Zack has yet another since this doc was on call when Zack was born prematurely & treated him that first week. We adore both & keep them both~

As far as vaccinating the others~ I had only run into one couple (neighbors across the street where we lived) who were strongly into the anti-vaccination movement. I listened, was fascinated, and then, like whale.to, they went off on these weird tangents including gov't. conspiracies, aliens- I started giving them wide berth. So, until I hit the internet, I had not the pleasure of many of our intelligent ladies I ahve net on this board. I find myself questioned more on the debate boards for my decision than in RL.

~Miki

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Sun, 06-01-2003 - 9:38am
I think I did say that she was only little...yet I know how healthy MY child was BEFORE she started coughing. THAT to me is ENOUGH to say that she is NOT the same. I also know that I am the one who is giving her neb treatments that have not really stopped since she got Pertussis.

I also asked that question to Miki because I am wondering if he was sick before hand and if maybe children who have underlying health issues should NOT get vaxed maybe they have a HIGHER risk of reactions????

Not everthing is black and white and I wish that it was. I know that there is a risk in ALL that we do and ALL that we take. I also know that yes my DD was young, but she was HEALTHY at birth. Now she is not...and let me also say that my DH has NOT been the same since getting pertussis. This is a man who was NEVER sick...EVER. Needless to say he gets sick easily now..always respitory..he can not laugh, without coughing and to this DAY his gag reflexes are NO good..

God Bless,

Carla

Carla,

Mommy to...MariaElena,Lindsey,Jac

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Sun, 06-01-2003 - 9:58am
Miki,

I agree that the women here have done their research, and believe me I have learned alot. I still believe that vaxing is the right thing for my kids. Yet I understand that in life everything carries a risk.

I hope that you understand why I asked if your DS was healthy before this? I really was and interested in knowing if when kids are sick to start should they be vaxed or if having them vaxed would make them a higher risk for having reactions? I am also wondering what you think since, I know that more then 10 years ago the DTP shot WAS a serious issue with children getting sick. Now that that it was revamped and its DTap do you think that it has less occurances of issues?? My intentions are not to make anyone upset..but I feel that I should ask these questions. You just never know.

God Bless,

Carla

Carla,

Mommy to...MariaElena,Lindsey,Jac

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Sun, 06-01-2003 - 3:16pm
This is very interesting. I will have to check and see if my son had this Prevnar. He does get, what I think, are alot of infections. He only started this after he turned 2. I wonder when and if he got this vax.

Also, Rotashield was never, as far as I know, a required vax.

Lucky

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