Restrictions on Personal Belief Exemptions

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Restrictions on Personal Belief Exemptions
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Wed, 08-29-2012 - 3:52pm

California is trying to reduce the number of vaccine exemptions:

A bill by Assemblyman Richard Pan (D-Sacramento), a pediatrician, would tighten the state's rules. To claim the personal-belief exemption, parents would be required under AB 2109 to discuss the risks and benefits of vaccination with a health professional; then they would be free to make up their own minds.

You can read the full article at this link: http://www.latimes.com/health/la-ed-vaccination-school-ab-2109-20120828,0,556341.story

The article also says that they feel that a majority of parents that choose not to vaccinate don't make the decision because they are fully informed.  

Do you think that this is a good or bad move by the state?  

Community Leader
Registered: 07-26-1999
Wed, 09-12-2012 - 9:14am
I think they underestimate how informed the parents that choose not to vaccinate are. From my experience and the people I know that choose to delay or not vaccinate at all, they are more informed and researched than most people who vaccinate their child, they've done the research, weighed the pros and cons and consequences of it quite extensively.
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Wed, 09-12-2012 - 9:15am
But, on that note, I don't think its a bad requirement to put into place, and as long as the health care professional isn't pushy or uses scare tactics, which plenty have been known to do, then I don't see a problem at all with making them look at all aspects to make an informed decision.
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Wed, 09-12-2012 - 1:28pm

I have to agree that making an informed decision is definitely better than doing no research at all.  I would hope that unbiased information would be presented without any pressure at all, regardless of whether the bill passes or not. 

Community Leader
Registered: 07-26-1999
Wed, 09-12-2012 - 2:52pm
lillybbee, given that you have more experience with CA, I can see your thoughts on it. I know with us, our pediatrician in the practice respects our right to not vaccinate, but anytime I need to go in to see on of the other doctors in the practice, and even my pediatrician's nurse, I walk out with a arm full of pamphlets, usb drives, and a stern talking to about the bad choice I have made by my not vaccinating. I intentionally no longer go in unless I know for sure I will get our specific pediatrician. We are very lucky, the kids rarely get sick and other than the standard well child visits we do go to each year, we're lucky (or unlucky) enough to only have to go in about once a year for other issues, and even then unless I feel like its really necessary. My DH is much stronger when it comes to personal and parental freedoms, jsut as passionate as you are and IMO its important to have that conviction!
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Thu, 09-13-2012 - 2:11pm

I have to agree this is a good move. I think all too often, parents react out of fear without fully investigating the facts. I do believe parents should have the right to not vaccinate their children, but I also believe an unvaccinated child is endangering the lives of other children so shouldn't be in school or any public setting with vaccinated children. If you don't want to vaccinate, that is fine, but expect consequences.

 

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Registered: 07-04-2011
Thu, 09-13-2012 - 2:24pm

Olivia,

I agree with you. I don't think unvaccinated children should be allowed to sit in a classroom with vaccinated children. It's not fair. There is absolutely no proof that vaccinations cause Autism or mental disorders yet that continues to be the top reason parents don't vaccinate. There are known and proven risks associated with vaccines but they pale in comparison to the horrid things that can happen with the diseases they prevent.

How people can compare the risks of a polio vaccine to the devastation of the disease itself is beyond me.

Jenn

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Registered: 11-09-2011
Thu, 09-13-2012 - 3:11pm

That isn't a matter of fear but fact. It's called immunity. Immunity is the protection offered to everyone in a community by vaccinations. With enough people immunized against a given disease, it’s difficult for the disease to get a foothold.

Communities all over this country are now once again fighting diseases that could have been irradicated had everyone done their part. It is very important that parents understand that vaccines are necessary not only for their children but for future generations.

Community Leader
Registered: 07-26-1999
Thu, 09-13-2012 - 5:09pm

What's iinteresting is that only in America that by the time a child is 6 months old they are to be injected with 45 vaccines; at 18 months 64, and at 4-6 years at least 74.

USA Today. Oct. 30, 2000: “Roughly one fourth of American parents have serious concerns over the safety of vaccinations their children receive.”

Wall Street Journal. Aug 1, 2003, p. 1. “There is growing opposition to the number of shots required."

Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD, the most well known pediatrician in the US, wrote, “There is NO convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease…I urge you to reject all inoculations for your child." Mendelsohn R. How to raise a healthy child...in spite of your doctor. Chicago: Contemporary Books. 1984:210. He favored giving parents information so they could make informed decisions: “What I advocate is that parents have access to the same controversies that are going on inside the medical journals.”

Now medical groups are publicly opposing vaccine mandates, vaccine safety and effectiveness. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons calls for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. "Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren’t necessary or that have very limited benefits.” Jane M. Orient, MD Executive Director of Assoc. of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS). Nov. 2, 2000. http://www.aapsonline.org/

"Over 80 percent of medical doctors in U.K. DO NOT recommend MMR Booster Doses." British Medical Journal, Jan. 13, 2001; 322:82-85. Wouldn't that tell you something?

Over 78 percent of medical doctors REFUSED to take Rubella vaccine (Measles Mumps Rubella), and about 91 percent of OB/GYN doctors REFUSED as well, according to Journal of American Medical Association, 245 (7): 711-13). Wouldn't that tell you something?

Dr. Mendelsohn, MD also wrote, "Immunization against relatively harmless childhood diseases may be responsible for the dramatic increase in autoimmune diseases…such as cancer, leukemia, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig’s disease, Lupus and Guillain-Barre syndrome.”

If vaccines were to protect you from the disease, then why these FACTS:
A major outbreak of 137 cases of measles. Ironically, 98.7% of students were appropriately vaccinated!!! Davis RM, Whitman ED, Orenstein WA, A persistent outbreak of measles despite appropriate prevention and control measures. American Journal of Epidemiology. 1987;126(3):438-449.
Children vaccinated with DPPT (or MMR) had 14x more asthma and 9.4x more eczema than non-vaccinated children. McKeever TM, Lewis SA, Smith C. Does vaccination increase the risk of developing allergic disease?: A birth cohort study. Winter Abstract supplement to Thorax, 2002; 57: Supplement III

Outbreaks have occurred in 100% vaccinated populations. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. US Govt. 12/29/89/38(S-9):1-18.
“80% cases of measles are contracted in vaccinated people.” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. US Govt. 6/6/86/35(22):366-70.

A 2002 study has shown that children who’ve received the flu shot are 14 times more likely to develop asthma, and more than nine times more likely to develop eczema.

The problem isn't the idea or process of vaccinating, it's what's in vaccinations. Us "naturalist" (thank you for the stereo-type) for the most part aren't against the vaccination we're against what's in them.  There are "all natural vaccines" called nosodes that can be used to give kids the immunity against the same viruses that you vaccinate your child again, but without the toxins. 

A nosode is prepared from a viral or bacterial culture. It carries the molecular imprint of the pathogenic agent. When prepared according to homeopathic procedures, the remedy is free of toxins.
 
Homeopathic vaccines are obtained from the same viral or bacterial culture of a particular disease: Varicellinum from chicken-pox, Pertussin from whopping cough, B.C.G. from tuberculosis, Rubella from German measles, Diphtherotoxinum from typhoid fever, and the list goes on.

 

This is the CDC website stating that these are in here!
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-1.pdf

Vaccine Ingredients and Their Side Effects

¤ammonium sulfate (salt) - suspected gastrointestinal, liver, nerve and respiratory system poison

¤beta-propilactone - known to cause cancer. suspected gastrointestinal, liver, respiratory, skin and sense organ poison.

¤genetically modified yeast; animal, bacterial & viral DNA - can be incorporated into the recipients's DNA and cause unknown genetic mutations.

¤latex rubber - can cause life-threatening allergic reactions

¤monosodium glutamate (MSG)/glutamate/glutamic acid - being stuidied for mutagenic, teratogenic (developmental malformation and monstrosities) and reproductive effects. A neurotoxin. Allergic reactions can range from mild to severe.

¤aluminum - implicated as a cause of brain damage; suspected factor in Alzheimer's Disease, dementia, seizures and comas. Allergic reactions can occur on skin.

¤formaldehyde (formalin) - major constituent of embalming fluid; poisonous if ingested. Probable carcinogen; suspected gastrointestinal, liver, immune system, nerve, reproductive system, and respiratory poison. Linked to leukemia, brain, colon and lymphatic cancer.

¤micro-organisms - live and killed viri and bacteria or their toxins. The polio vaccine was contaminated with a monkey virus now turning up in human bone, lung-lining (mesothelioma), brain tumors and lymphomas.

¤polysorbate 80 - known to cause cancer in animals.

¤tri (n) butylphosphate - suspected kidney and nerve poison.

¤glutaraldehyde - poisonous if ingested. Causes birth defects in experimental animals.

¤gelatin - produced from selected pieces of calf and cattle skins, de-mineralized cattle bones and pork skin. Allergic reactions have been reported.

¤gentamicin sulfate & polymyxin B (antibiotics) - allergic reactions can range from mild to life threatening.

¤mercury (thimerosal) - one of the most poisonous substances known. Has an affinity for the brain, gut, liver, bone marrow and kidneys, Minute amounts can cause nerve damage. Symptoms of mercury toxicity are similar to those of autism.

¤neomycin sulfate (antibitoic) - interferes with Bitamin B6 absorption. An error in the uptake of B6 can cause rare form of epilepsy and mental retardation. Allergic reactions can be mild to life threatening.

¤phenol/phenoxyethanol (2-PE) - used as antifreeze. Toxic to all cells and capable of disabling the immune system's primary response mechanism.

¤human & animal cells - human cells from aborted fetal tissue and human albumin. Pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, guinea pig, dog kidney, cow heart, monkey kidney, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg, calf serum, sheep blood and others.

Would you let your children drink or eat these things? No, in fact if you saw them putting any of them in their mouth you'd likely call poison control immediately. So what makes injecting them okay?

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Fri, 09-14-2012 - 10:00am

The number of children who die or are adversely affected by vaccinations isn't even comparable to the number who die or are adversely affected by the disease they are preventing.

The odds of a child at this time getting a preventable disease are low, but what about future generations? According to the CDC http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/why.htm

In 1974, Japan had a successful pertussis (whooping cough) vaccination program, with nearly 80% of Japanese children vaccinated. That year only 393 cases of pertussis were reported in the entire country, and there were no deaths from pertussis. But then rumors began to spread that pertussis vaccination was no longer needed and that the vaccine was not safe, and by 1976 only 10% of infants were getting vaccinated. In 1979 Japan suffered a major pertussis epidemic, with more than 13,000 cases of whooping cough and 41 deaths.

 

We have an obligation to not only our children but our grandchildren and great grandchildren.

Community Leader
Registered: 10-01-2010
Wed, 10-03-2012 - 3:20pm
jennadnearo wrote:

The number of children who die or are adversely affected by vaccinations isn't even comparable to the number who die or are adversely affected by the disease they are preventing.

The number of children affected in my family is two - it would have been three if I had vaccinated my youngest - according to several medical professionals.

It may not comparable to the number of children who die from a disease, but it's pretty high in my family.

Plus, you are assuming that I believe that the vaccine will prevent the disease. Did you read the post about Whooping cough vaccine not working any more? I have read many articles such as that one over the years.