Separate M, M & R

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Separate M, M & R
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Mon, 07-28-2003 - 10:13am
I am about to bring dd in for her 2yr check and over the last few months I have done a ton of research, including incidence #'s in our county and state. I came to the conclusion that since I couldn't get measles and mumps as separate vaccines I would give dd the ruebella and not worry about the other two.

I called Merck on Friday to get their most recent update on the availability of the separate vaxes, expecting the same info that I've gotten every time I've called in the last two years no for M and M but yes for R....and they surprised me!!

THE SEPARATE VACCINES FOR ALL THREE ARE NOW AVAILABLE!!!!!

The woman on the phone was very helpful. She said that they had received an email about it just that week. The vaccines are available in boxes of 10 doses/bx and the orders are limited to ONLY 3bx/order.

Just thought I would pass along the info.

Christine

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Registered: 03-19-2003
Mon, 07-28-2003 - 6:01pm
Thanks for the heads up! I have a few moms on my mother's board who are interested in separating the shot as well. I will pass it on!

Thanks again~ Miki

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Registered: 07-22-2003
Mon, 07-28-2003 - 10:37pm
Christine,

Could you please pass me some of the most informative sites you have researched? I am going to be a grandmother for the second time. Would you believe for the first grandchild the whole family researched circumcision, it was a big discussion because we knew it would be a boy, but no one ever thought of researching the vaccination issue.

Now we have the circ issue resolved (no one in our family will cirk their baby boy), but I want them to start thinking about vaccinations.

I have heard that there is a mercury preservative in the immunizations. Did you find any sites that confirms that?

I would really appreciate some links to get me and maybe the whole family started.

So far I am the only one concerned. And it is hard to get them to look it up if they don't see a possible problem. (It was that way with circumcision. They looked up why it should be done instead of just doing research.)

Thanks in advance, Gitti
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Tue, 07-29-2003 - 9:38am
Researching vaccinations is a tricky tightrope walk. There is really nothing out there with a big arrow on it saying THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Either you will kill your child by vaxing them or kill them by not vaxing them....according to proponents on either side.

I got a lot of links and ideas from message boards such as this as well as the vax board on mothering.com. There is also a very interesting collection of articles on mothering's site that looks at a lot of the vaccination issues.

I know that many people recommend Stephanie Cave's book on vaccinations...I personally haven't had a chance to pick it up, but everything I've heard is all good.

For me, I looked at each vaccine individually. Looked at the safety of the vax, the chances of dd getting the disease, and the severity of the disease. I balanced the facts that "I" could ascertain and made a decision for each.

Based on my research we vaxed my dd for almost all the scheduled vaccinations up through her first birthday with the exception of Hep B. We are going to hold off on a Hep B decision until she is a preteen and actually approaching the population at risk! Dd also didn't get Prevnar on schedule but this was because of lack of availability.

Dd does not receive any more than one vaccination per visit to the ped's office. We did get DTaP together, but each shot was separated by at least a week if not longer. I was very concerned about reactions...the ped thinks I'm a bit nutty but goes along with it. We did switch ped practices after dd's 1yr appt since the head of the first practice was belligerent to me as a human being, never mind a parent....because we didn't follow the AAP schedule (when in fact she had received EVERYTHING on the schedule except the Hep B to that point...well Prevnar too but that wasn't our choice).

Dd has caught up with her Prevnar now and the only outstanding innoculations at this point are for Chicken Pox and the MMR. I'm still on the fence about Chicken Pox....I'm leaning towards holding off until just before kindergarten...and then reassessing at that time.

We actually live in the same area as Merck's headquarters and dd's ped is almost down the street from them. The ped has listened to my concerns about the combined shot but told me straight out that Merck was never going to split them again (based on people she knew that worked there) even though each time I called Merck told me that Ruebella was available and they didn't know when Measles and Mumps would be....but they definitely expected to release them individually.

It is VERY difficult to do research on MMR. There are so many accusations and theories flying around about it concerning autism. Studies say it's bad, studies say it's safe....from what I have looked at (and this is only MY opinion) none of the studies ON EITHER SIDE have been designed well. Either they are just culling information from previous studies and comparing them, or they are looking at EXTREMELY small sample groups in order to prove their theories.

There are some correlational studies however that point to a higher rate of gut diseases (colitis, crohn's, etc) in those people that are exposed to measles and mumps antibodies within a year of each other. There have also been subsequent studies possibly linking the measles vaccine to gut diseases in autistic children.

The gut diseases are what sent up a red flag for me. Dd has a VERY strong genetic history of gut disease. My dh, BIL and MIL all have colitis, MIL also has Crohn's and her father also had gut issues although probably not diagnosed correctly. With all this in her genes I would like to do everything possible to not aid dd in getting any of these. I was ready to pass on the Measles and Mumps vaccines all together since they haven't been available, but now that they are (dh feels strongly that she should be vaxed w/ them if possible) I plan on giving dd Mumps now, Measles in 2+yrs and Ruebella at some point in the middle.

I don't know if this will help you at all. I do feel that whatever you decide that it should be an INFORMED decision...NOT just "something you read online"....back it up with research and apply it to YOUR situation. It helped me a lot that when I walked into ped office #1 and they recommended the ped standard book on vaxes by Paul Offit...I could reply that not only had I heard of it but had read it cover to cover. That took them down a few pegs and showed them that I was serious and knew what I was talking about. Get out there, read, research then compare the info. I know I had to read the extreme views on either side, throw out the info that I thought wasn't relevant or not supported, then come up with a middle of the road approach that worked for me and my family.

Good Luck!

Christine

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Tue, 07-29-2003 - 12:58pm
Hi, I am Christine also, and saw your post, here's some info:

"I have heard that there is a mercury preservative in the immunizations. Did you find any sites that confirms that?"

Mercury was used in vaccines as a preservative, now the recommendation has been made to remove or reduce it from most of the vaccines. Some vaccines STILL have "trace" amounts of mercury, amounts "they" consider to be "clinically insignificant".

You can request the vaccine inserts for each vaccine the dr wants to give, AHEAD OF TIME, and read it before the shots are scheduled. Thimerosal (mercury) is still used in the manufacturing process, so although it may not be listed, it may still be in the vaccine. From what I have read, they believe the problems with the mercury started as more and more vaccines were being given to infants...compare doses with your children, tell them the vaccines you received as a child, compare with the vaccines THEY received as a child, compared with what they are expecting today's infant to receive. There is not one long term study done on the safety of injecting all these vaccines into infants. My children born in 1984 and 1987 were given 21 doses of vaccines before starting school, today's infant will get that many in just 6 months insted of 5 years. By 5 yrs of age, they will be sporting up to 40 doses! Quite a leap in the amount of doses I received as a child, 9.



"I would really appreciate some links to get me and maybe the whole family started."

http://www.909shot.com

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/gro/hgo62560.000/hgo62560_0.HTM#124

A list of some congressional hearings:

Mercury in Medicine

Taking Unnecessary Risks

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=106_house_hearings&docid=f:72722.wais

http://www.house.gov/burton/autism.htm

VACCINES—FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PERSONAL CHOICE

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/gro/hgo62560.000/hgo62560_0.htm

Let me point out a section from the above,

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/gro/hgo62560.000/hgo62560_0X.HTM#STATE

scroll to KINSBOURNE and read the links listed.

FACA: Conflicts of Interest and Vaccine Development:

Preserving the Integrity of the Process”

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/rally/openstmntconint.htm

FACA: CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND VACCINE DEVELOPMENT--PRESERVING THE

INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=106_house_hearings&docid=f:73042.wais

Hepatitis B Vaccine: Helping or Hurting Public Health?

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=106_house_hearings&docid=f:63308.wais

Autism--Why the Increased Rates? A One-Year Update

(as far as the link w/MMR, it has not yet been proven, OR disproven!)

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_house_hearings&docid=f:76856.wais

The National Vaccine Injury Program: Is it Working as Congress Intended?

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_house_hearings&docid=f:77527.wais

The Autism Epidemic--Is the NIH and CDC Response Adequate?

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_house_hearings&docid=f:80356.wais

The Status of Research into Vaccine Safety and Autism

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_house_hearings&docid=f:82358.wais

The Continuing Oversight of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_house_hearings&docid=f:83515.wais

Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: Reviewing the Federal Government's Track Record and Charting a Course for the Future

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_house_hearings&docid=f:84605.wais

That should be enough to get started...if you would like more info, I have a hotmail email addy,

suschi2 then the at sign, then hotmail.com

Christine



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Tue, 07-29-2003 - 7:31pm
I'd also add to the recommendations that you visit our Community Website: http://pages.ivillage.com/cl-mferkul/

HTH~ Miki

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Thu, 07-31-2003 - 9:10am
Christine (tiggernminnie) I just wanted to say that I think you summed up really well how complicated this is to research, and your approach makes perfect sense to me. I agree that every family has to decide for themselves, considering the risk from the diseases, the risk of exposure, the risk of passing on disease to others, and their family history what is best for them. It is too easy to just read scary information about the diseases or about adverse reactions and have an emotional response. It is very time-consuming and difficult to read through medical journal articles and research papers, but they are what gave me the confidence to make my decisions.

Thanks for posting about the separate M,M,R -- we've had a lot of questions about this on the board.

Take care,

Keeley