slightly OT -- e-mycin eye ointment

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slightly OT -- e-mycin eye ointment
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Thu, 01-29-2009 - 8:10pm

Alright my non-vaxing pals .. :-p Here's my question, as you've probably seen from my siggy - I'm due to have a baby in 'bout 3 weeks .. I've been thinking about all of the "routine" things they do to babies, and from the nurse side of it all I never thought there was anything wrong with any of the things they do. Now that it's my baby -- I don't want them touching him! (go figure!)

So my question is about erythromycin eye ointment .. I'm assuming a number of you declined having it used with your children, but I'm looking for reasons not to have it done.. other than that DH and I don't have STDs. Or is that enough of a reason?? I haven't really seen anything about negative reactions / side effects .. but I also haven't dug very deep.

I know its not a vax question (and I still believe in vaxing, nice try ;)).. but I do respect your opinions .. so I thought I'd start with you ladies.



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Registered: 10-18-2007
Thu, 01-29-2009 - 8:52pm

First, I'm so glad you post here Melissa... I know I'm not alone when I say that.

I refused it because I knew the irritation risks and I didn't want to alter an already delicate process if I could avoid it. Tetracyline might be a better option if it's something you your little guy will need.

If you are both STD free, then I probably would decline as well.

I remember when my youngest was born I wanted everyone OUT of my room. Don't wash her. Don't touch her. Just. Get. Out. They stuck her foot and tested her blood sugar (due to size) and actually wanted me to give her formula so they could test it again. That's when I kicked everyone out.

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Thu, 01-29-2009 - 9:13pm

Well, thank you :)

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I'm having the same dilemma!! I know how it works from the nursing / doctor side and I don't want to be a pain-in-the-neck patient .. but as the patient, I just want them to leave me alone, and I know it's well within my rights! I am going to breast feed, but I want to do it without all the nurses in the room touching my breasts and pulling my clothes off :-p I also don't want them checking me for bleeding, etc.. I feel like I can report off on that without their poking around every shift!! Definitely going to have an internal power struggle on my hands!! :-p

I'll see how brave I'm feeling, I guess .. I want to decline the e-mycin ointment, but I can see myself caving if it looks like I'm going to upset doctors / nurses. When I declined vaccines for my cat this past fall I caved b/c the vet went ballistic and started yelling at me about the risk I'm exposing my cat to and that if he's not vaccinated he'll catch feline leukemia and die. I'd done my reading and I know its not true.. but I caved. I know kids and cats are different .. but geez .. I hate being yelled at!! :-p

Ok .. talk about WAY off topic ;)



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Thu, 01-29-2009 - 9:35pm

Interesting question. I'm all in favor of declining unnecessary medical interventions. Do you have a doula? A supportive spouse? It is hard to be dealing with the aftermath of childbirth and all the medical routine hassles.

My daughter was born over 40 years ago. I don't remember a lot of this stuff. She had her babies at home, so there wasn't much to deal with. Two midwives who were pretty supportive and didn't mess around with her.

The ideal medical system would offer intervention when you need it and leave you alone when you don't :)

When I've been in situations where I felt that someone might try to manipulate or bully me I would go into it with a clear position and just keep repeating myself. Acknowledge what someone says, you can even say thank you, and then repeat your position. Like this:
Nurse: Time for the eye ointment.
You: Thanks, but we both test negative for STDs and our baby doesn't need this.
Nurse: It is required.
You: Thank you for telling me that. My baby doesn't need this.
Nurse: It is very important, I'm going to go tell my supervisor that you are refusing something which is required.
You: Thank you for following the hospital rules. My baby doesn't need this.

It is a good way to avoid buying the framework.

Hard though when an authority figure starts beating you up for thinking for yourself and doing your own research.

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Thu, 01-29-2009 - 10:20pm

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Do they have a pre-registration option? You could see the maternity ward ahead of time, get familiar with the Head Nurse, maybe the NP and iron it all out way ahead of time. If you had an existing relationship with at least one of them it would probably help.

When I kicked them all out, I remember calling my OB and telling her to get those women out of there and she had no problem helping me kindly remove them. In retrospect, I should have taken more time during the pre-registration. I didn't get any eyerolls or any drama whatsoever for refusing any of the treatments (vit. K, eye goop, or Hep B), just a lot of "intervention". Turns out, shortly after Emma was born the hospital changed their policy on antibiotics and silver nitrate for eyes and in some cases they just stick the baby (penicillin if I recall) and I am still searching for the logic behind that practice.

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Thu, 01-29-2009 - 10:25pm

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I tried desperately to get my husband to concede to a home birth, too much for him. I was so paranoid about infection it was unreal, luckily because of that though, if we have another I think he'll give me my way. We aren't planning any more kids though... so I guess I just need to instill the practice into my girls.

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Thu, 01-29-2009 - 10:39pm

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There's no pre-registration .. I know some of the nurses that work in L&D b/c its the same hospital I work at .. the charge nurse would be someone different each shift. My doctor will be there and she knows that we won't be giving more than 1 injection at any time -- though I'll revisit the "birth plan" with regard to other interventions.

I hope that my worrying about attitude when I refuse things is just a fear and won't become a reality. We are mandated to ask about and offer flu and pneumonia vaccines to every patient we admit -- but if someone declines, I just write that they decline and move on .. I never push for people to have anything they don't want, and I always give my patients the opportunity to refuse medications that are prescribed routinely but that may not really be necessary for a particular individual. I'm well aware of the number of things that just happen "routinely" that are totally unnecessary and while most, if not nearly all, cause no harm .. its just not necessary and it's a waste of resources.

I don't know what the state laws are regarding Hep B / eye goop / etc. but I guess the most I'd have to do is sign a form stating that we've been informed of the "risks" of not using those medications. :)

And granted ..my previous example was with a veterinarian .. BUT .. it was the first time I ever declined a medication / treatment .. and they ripped me a new one! Scary!



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Thu, 01-29-2009 - 10:42pm

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Massachusetts doesn't allow home births .. at the same time, knowing all of the possible risks and complications I think I'd be a nervous wreck trying to have a baby at home. A good friend of mine is a doula, so I've talked to her, but she won't be there for the birth .. my DH is really supportive though and he knows everything I do / do not want to happen, and he's usually really great about standing up for me :)



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Fri, 01-30-2009 - 7:53am

Tell your DH he needs to stand guard over you and the baby. It is a lot to expect that a woman who has just given birth will be in condition to debate with medical personnel about the need for this or that intervention.

I can understand about the home birth thing. My daughter wouldn't have done it without an experienced midwife with OB back up. She isn't a risk taker!

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Fri, 01-30-2009 - 10:34am

Hmmmm... Do you have the option of writing a birth plan and providing it to the OB and L/D nurses?

You could note "no eye goop" on the birth plan and have the discussion prior to when it becomes difficult to have. We had an entire birth plan written up in conjunction with our OB for presentation to the staff when I arrived in labour but alas things do not always go to plan.

Kiera was breech (transverse) and I wanted to be allowed to go into labour naturally and see if she would turn when contractions started. I was scheduled for a c-section under the guidelines for the hospital and when I said and if I refuse... well they would call CPS... but alas this is a fetus not a child (even though that's not personally my belief there is no legal recognition of a fetus in Canada) and they responded that CPS would be there after birth... ugh. Off topic even further :)

Long winded way of saying have the discussion right when you get to the hospital and have it noted either in your birth plan or your files - they Anthony can be your advocate :)






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Fri, 01-30-2009 - 11:28am
The only other point I'll add (to the it's not needed if you don't have the std's) - my understanding is that the babies vision is then blurred for a couple of days or so. I wanted my baby to see me to aid bonding. Blurry vision seems like it could hinder, not help, bonding.
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