Swine Flu Party?

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Registered: 10-28-2005
Swine Flu Party?
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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 12:01pm

I was reading this blog and wondered about it. This H1N1 flu worries me - mostly because they're pushing the vax for it through so quickly. I keep wondering why they're doing that.


But, would you have a Swine Flu Party?



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Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 5:08pm

"Your body makes the same antibodies"

Have you read something that makes you believe that, or is there a scientific journal which proves it?

"what's the point of immunity if you have to get sick to get it?"

You are assuming that everyone who is exposed to a disease will get the disease.

My daughter got the chickenpox naturally. Today, I wish I had taken her to the doctor and asked if there was a bloodtest to determine if she got the natural disease, or the vaccine strain of the disease. In other words, I was curious and wondered if a recently vaccinated child shed the disease and made her sick, or if she got the same strain I got when I was a kid.

During the chickenpox, several parents asked me to have a chickenpox party. The main reason I didn't was because everything I read told me that the days of contagiousness were already past. With many diseases, the symptoms come AFTER the child is no longer contagious. Another reason I didn't do it is because I knew that there was a chance that any child could have complications and end up in the hospital. My worst fear was that some ER doctor would kill the child with pharmaceuticals. If and when that happens, the death certificate reads death by chickenpox, not death by dosing and overdosing of pharmaceuticals.

The parents of non-vaccinated children who played with my child the days prior to her symptoms, were really excited over the chance that their kid would get it. They wanted the child to get the pox so they could have peace of mind, knowing the child would likely have lifelong immunity. One parent just knew her son would get it because he spent the night with my son just the day before her symptoms showed up. She was exposed to many children during her contagious days. But not a single kid came down with it.

So see, what you think you know about a certain disease may just be what you were conditioned to think - and that's usually not factual.

We have all been conditioned to fear disease, even those which are mild and self-limiting. But just because our grandmother's believed it - don't make it so.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 5:19pm

There is a lot that scientist do not know about the immune system. Your fear of disease comes from a push to sell vaccines because if you knew more, you wouldn't be so fearful. Yes, it's scary anytime our children get sick. But having the facts will offer you more peace of mind. I know this because I was a crazy wreck when my daughter got the pox. If it happened today instead of years ago, I would not be as fearful because I would spend more time rejoicing that she now has lifelong immunity.

You give your child a shot, that shot works, then you have to worry about your child getting the disease as an adult, once the shot has waned. If an adult gets this childhood disease, they may very well die. That is why it is most beneficial to get chickenpox as a child.

Thanks to the vaccine, we are now seeing a disease that throughout history has affected adults only (mostly the elderly), but is now affecting very young children. It WAS extremely uncommon for a child to get shingles, today it is becoming more and more common. And like I said, the adults of the future will be getting chickenpox - and this is extremely dangerous for adults.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 5:21pm

"but it's just don't see where it is addressed that vaccines create different antibodies for a disease than the live disease itself."

You are the one saying the antibodies are identical, where did you get that from?

The immune system is not fully understood. Maybe that is why we don't have definitive answers.

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Registered: 04-22-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 5:44pm

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Every doctor I've ever asked has said they are the same. You seem to believe otherwise. And even if you're right, I still don't understand what would be the point of giving yourself the flu to gain an immunity to a flu that you've just given yourself. To me it just seems like looking both ways after you've already crossed the street. Since the swine flu has a much greater probability of killing my kid than the swine flu vaccine, I'd rather go with "unnatural" immunity than send him to a swine flu party and then have him live under the same roof as his 4-month-old baby brother.

So anyway, some people might want to get the flu, but I guess I'll never fully understand why when you could, you know, try NOT to get it.















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Registered: 06-16-2009
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 5:50pm

Unfortunately it is not as simple as a vaccine creating different antibodies (in fact I never stated that the antibodies were different) it is the way the immune system works that is the important part.

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Registered: 04-22-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 6:05pm

Thank you very much for making sure I correctly understood the tone of your post. The root of my confusion is not about antibodies and immunity (which I promise to research). My confusion is about what is the purpose of gaining an immunity, in your opinion? What are you trying to be immune against?

Let's say a person is attending a party with the intention of contracting swine flu and gaining a natural immunity. Immunity against what, if not the swine flu (which they have already contracted)?















iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 6:11pm

Oh, don't get me wrong, my whole family TRIES NOT TO GET IT!

We are learning to eat healthier, and a few minutes of sunshine is beneficial to the immune system so we try to get plenty of sunshine. If we get the flu, we get it...but like I have already stated, I believe we have already had it.

I do understand your fears about the baby, I kept mine at home during flu season when they were babies. People will have nasty comments about living in a bubble, but oh well, you do what you think is right. Just do it with knowledge and know that your doctor is not always right, he tells you what his pharma-approved textbooks told him to tell you. I've learned that the hard way. :)

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2009
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 6:22pm
Oh well for me that is an easy answer.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-22-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 6:27pm
Oh good, I'm glad that I'm not the only one that perceives a swine flu party to be a bad idea, LOL!














iVillage Member
Registered: 04-22-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Fri, 10-23-2009 - 9:24pm
Thank you. That makes sense, and you're right that we have different risk/benefit ratios going on.














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