Swine Flu Party?

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Registered: 10-28-2005
Swine Flu Party?
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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 12:01pm

I was reading this blog and wondered about it. This H1N1 flu worries me - mostly because they're pushing the vax for it through so quickly. I keep wondering why they're doing that.


But, would you have a Swine Flu Party?



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Registered: 05-18-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sat, 10-24-2009 - 9:54pm

Actually, vaccinating as many members of a community as possible does reduce the likelihood of transmission to others. This is how the scientific concept of "herd immunity" works. So even if it's possible for an immune person to be a carrier (although not to the same degree or duration that someone who is actively infected would be, as the germs don't have the same free rein to replicate), an individual getting vaccinated helps the odds of preventing or limiting outbreaks in the community as a whole. The odds of a disease flourishing, spreading and mutating in a community is higher when a critical mass of members are unvaccinated.

Just got the fun news today that there's a mumps outbreak in our area. This was a "dead" disease when I was a kid, before nonvax became a trend. It means that my baby is not getting to go to Gymboree soon after all, since he is not old enough for the MMR. I hope people don't start buying into the conspiracy theories about the polio vaccine that have created a rebirth of that disease in Nigeria and several other countries.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sat, 10-24-2009 - 10:18pm
Afrin???
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Registered: 03-12-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sat, 10-24-2009 - 10:29pm
Yes,
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Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sat, 10-24-2009 - 10:40pm

Herd immunity is a joke. The words are used when needed, to help convince a population of people into believing a point that would not be believable if the population is educated regarding the issue at hand. Besides, since vaccines (none of them) are offering 100% efficacy, then the whole concept of herd immunity is laughable. Trust me, I'm being nice here :) so I'm not using my usual condescending tone when saying that, it's just a simple way of saying it. I once thought the same way as you do, but now I know better.

"an individual getting vaccinated helps the odds of preventing or limiting outbreaks in the community as a whole."

In instances of vaccine shedding, the odds of an outbreak are increased.

"The odds of a disease flourishing, spreading and mutating in a community is higher when a critical mass of members are unvaccinated."

With more vaccines on the schedule, the odds of Autism, GBS, and a whole array of other vaccine-induced health conditions are also higher. I'll take a week of the flu over lifelong GBS or Autism any day.

"This was a "dead" disease when I was a kid, before nonvax became a trend."

I can't answer that one without being condescending, but maybe someone else here will educate you about this. Hint - the plague isn't killing people today and there was never a vaccine for it!

"I hope people don't start buying into the conspiracy theories about the polio vaccine that have created a rebirth of that disease in Nigeria and several other countries."

Putting on the *nice* hat again...you have A LOT to learn about disease. The polio in Nigeria happened because the same vaccine that was removed from the US's schedule because it caused Polio - is the vaccine being used in Nigeria today. IOW, the Polio in Nigeria was/is caused BY THE VACCINE.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32418446/ns/health-infectious_diseases

Need more proof? Let me know, I'll find some stuff for ya when I get a chance.

You've been lied to and you fell for it. I did too and I'm mad about it! That is why I spend countless hours at this and other vaccine debates.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sat, 10-24-2009 - 10:41pm
I must be speed-reading again, I try not to :(
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Registered: 03-12-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 9:52am
No worries. There's lots of information to read here.:-)
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Registered: 11-17-2007
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 10:20am
Actually, "they" have known/acknowledged for quite some time that polio outbreaks in nigeria are being caused by the oral vaccine.... yet they continue to give it out. Why do suppose that is? If they eradicate the disease, then pharma will no longer make millions off of a drug that is creating the illness they are "trying" to prevent. Thus, the need to still make a vaccine that is cheaper for poorer countries so they can use them, the poor people of those countries, as their experiments for their wallets. I tend to think its the same thing with an aids/cancer cures too.... if they cure it, theres no need to make meds to keep it at bay....then pharma's wallets will suffer...if they are not making enough of a profit off a certain illness, its easier to just announce a "cure" has been found. And then they go on to sell their "cure"... oh wait a minute, lets go down the road a few years....pharma now says their "cure" could cause problems for some people in the long run and maybe the "cure" was rushed through research too soon...just the beginning......and on and on it goes... what a vicious cycle. And a lot of it, imo, is to scare the public, fearmongering, and preying on unsuspecting people who are not smart enough to think for themselves on the subject. Those of us that are smart enough to do that, are few and far between. I have no friends that have the attitude i have about vaccines. These boards are my outlet. What i have learned, is that a lot of people in america are so conditioned to believe vaccines are good, they dont want to question them and raise flags about the issue. They believe it cuz its what they were taught.
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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 11:21am

Actually, I don't think there's anything scientific about the concept of herd immunity. I think science has simply mathematically altered the definition for its own benefit. Plundering appears fairly widespread in the mainstream community.

As for reservoirs... attempting to artificially removing a pathogen or virus from the environment has consequence, if mutation occurs - I don't see how there will be any prejudice in choosing a host.

I hope we don't demean discussion by crying conspiracy theory.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 1:22pm
I wouldn't dare say this a year ago, but now I see more than I ever wanted to believe before. Part of why Africa is doing this has a lot to do with its government wanting to depopulate. I have not commented much on this because I don't want to believe it myself, but it's there, and it's quite obvious.
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Registered: 06-16-2009
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 1:31pm
What? Do you have any kind of evidence to back up that claim?

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