Swine Flu Party?

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-28-2005
Swine Flu Party?
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Mon, 10-19-2009 - 12:01pm

I was reading this blog and wondered about it. This H1N1 flu worries me - mostly because they're pushing the vax for it through so quickly. I keep wondering why they're doing that.


But, would you have a Swine Flu Party?



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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 1:43pm

I know, it sounds crazy, and yes, I know its totally "out there" but if you read posts by African people on You-Tube you'll learn that they believe it.

I didn't for a long time, but I am starting to. Again, I know its crazy and that is why I didn't dare speak of it for the past few years but now I've read so much of it that I'm beginning to believe it. There are people who think the same is happening in the US. I don't buy it, not right now anyway :) I just wonder where one would find proof of this, one way or the other. It's all speculation, but its a popular thought among many.

That is not the worst of things that I don't dare speak of, lol. But as far as concrete proof, I don't know if there is any - I have not looked. Like I said, I never wanted to believe it. It's probably conspiracy theories, but the ones who believe it are very serious about it.

I ask myself, why would this nation use this vaccine when other options are available? Knowing that the producers themselves have admitted to knowing about vaccine shedding with the OPV for decades. It's why we no longer use the OPV in this country, it caused Polio. Did they think their people are somehow different than us? Or did our vaccine manufacturers lie to them the way the lie to us? I'm convinced they'll do anything to make a buck now days, no matter how unethical or how outrageous it is.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2009
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 3:12pm

They use the oral polio vaccine in parts of Africa

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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 3:18pm

<<< So even if it's possible for an immune person to be a carrier (although not to the same degree or duration that someone who is actively infected would be, as the germs don't have the same free rein to replicate), an individual getting vaccinated helps the odds of preventing or limiting outbreaks in the community as a whole. >>>

I was reading a blog entry by Mark Crislip on SBM (guilty pleasure, and I like his sarcastic style) and he quoted two direct infection studies that were published some time ago. This one is from 1977:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/342306?dopt=Abstract

From the abstract: "In all instances, vaccinees experienced mild, mostly afebrile upper respiratory symptoms, unlike controls who had moderate to severe symptoms, often with fever. Infecting virus was shed more often by unvaccinated controls."

They measured protection when the vacinees stopped showing symptoms, or whether they showed mild symptoms (this occurs in animal challenges also). It is likely that a person that's not been exposed previously to is going to exhibit more symptoms, or correct presentation. The vaccinated person, showing mild symptoms is mingling about society... at the grocery store, picking up their children from here or there as they "nurse a cold" - while the unvaccinated person with profound, classic symptoms is at home, quarantined, and recovering. Who is more of a threat to the very young, the very old, those that can't be vaccinated, or those that are compromised?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 3:21pm
Shedding only happens in unvaccinated people. sarcasm/
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iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2009
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 3:40pm
I read it too, it gives me a sense of objectivity and on occasion it teaches me something I did not know.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 3:50pm

I prefer SBM to some of the ScienceBlogs, simply because it's more civil. There are a few must haves at ScienceBlogs too...

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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 4:06pm

"It is not considered dangerous because it is attenuated."

Even when the history of this vaccine proves otherwise, they still used the vaccine.

Kill or harm a few to spare a bunch?

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Just like here in the US where the (supposedly clean) water is free from Polio... Why do they pretend that if we stop vaccinating for Polio that Polio will "make a come-back"???

Smallpox didn't.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2009
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 4:24pm

Kill or harm a few to spare a bunch?


Well yeah, that is the theory. Utilitarianism in play I guess.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-22-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Sun, 10-25-2009 - 4:28pm

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That's the idea exactly.















iVillage Member
Registered: 05-18-2005
In reply to: cmwendyw
Mon, 10-26-2009 - 11:42am

I work with a lot of Africans and have to read African news coverage for work sometimes.

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