Talk to me about MMR Please

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Registered: 09-05-2007
Talk to me about MMR Please
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Mon, 11-10-2008 - 12:33am

Hi all! I would like everyone to talk to me about the MMR vax. My son is full term, completely healthy, completely vaxed except for the flu shot and we will not be doing that one. He is almost 9 months old, I am not sure when they do the MMR ,but I thought it was at 1 year. Is it safer if you wait longer? Why should I not let him get it? Why should I let him get it?

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Registered: 04-28-2007
Mon, 11-10-2008 - 10:25pm

Sure. MMR is a triple vaccine with 3 live viruses; measles, mumps, rubella. I can tell you now I had all three of these illnesses as a child and I am perfectly fine, as are all my friends, cousins, etc

Honestly (unless you live in Mississippi or W.VA) you can always sign a religious/philosophical exemption. If you are truly concerned you can definitely wait or hold off indefinitely. I have one ds who is just about totally vaccinated, another who I stopped at age 2 and a 2 year old who has had nothing. The youngest is the healthiest.....go figure!

Dee

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Mon, 11-17-2008 - 12:21am

"Is it safer if you wait longer?"

Measles, Mumps and Rubella are all fairly rare in this country. All three diseases have always been very mild. If you had those diseases and you're still nursing (and even possibly if you're not) then it's entirely possible that your baby is protected via your immune system. This protection is temporary though.

"Why should I not let him get it?" Only you as a parent should make that decision, but if you study the diseases, you'll notice they aren't that scary. They very rarely ever lead to life-threatening complications.

"Why should I let him get it?" I can't think of a single reason. Being vaccinated does not mean the child will never get the disease. My child had chicken pox AND the chicken pox vaccine! I asked my pediatrician why did the vaccine wane and he said it didn't wane, it was a "vaccine failure". Vaccine failures are rarely ever reported so the CDC has no earthly clue how often it happens.

If you don't get it do you have to file for a state exemption for things like school? We homeschool but from what I understand, that is a misrepresentation that is spread by teachers, principals and other school employees as well as doctors and TV personalities and even politicians...I file it all under "scare tactics".

"I am in AL and I know that for some (maybe all) of the vax you can file for an exemption." I'm pretty sure it's all inclusive.

"What kind of reasons are you allowed to give for wanting an exemption?" When my son went to a private Kindergarten, the rules were the same as for public school. When I filled out the paperwork, there was no such questions asked. We live in GA.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Mon, 11-17-2008 - 12:46am

I should also mention that my daughter who's never been vaccinated is a lot healthier than her brother who had the IPV, MMR, Chicken Pox and DT (without the P). If I had known then what I know now, he would not have gotten a single one. He has severe seasonal allergies and keeps a cold this time of the year.

IPV - Polio which is extremely rare in this country. When national immunization campaigns were initiated in the 1950’s, the number of reported cases of Polio following mass inoculations with the killed-virus vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations, and may have more than doubled in the US as a whole. Source: US government statistics.

From 1923 to 1953, before the Salk killed-virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the USA and England had already declined on its own by 47% and 55% respectively. Source: International Mortality Statistics (1981) by Michael Alderson.

Statistics show a similar decline in other European countries as well. And when the vaccine did become available many European countries questioned its effectiveness and refused to systematically inoculate their citizens. Yet, polio epidemics also ended in those countries.

There is not a shred of evidence to prove that 1) the vaccine was ever effective at all and 2) that it caused polio to disappear.

My son was born in 1999. He was supposed to get both the IPV and the OPV. I had read enough scary information to deny the OPV when it was time, but I did allow them to give him the IPV. Not even 6 months later, the OPV was pulled from the shelves. You cannot take it out of the kids who already got it!

MMR - Measles, Mumps and Rubella.

You can read all about Measles and Mumps with a search on this board.

Rubella -

This vaccine is one currently propagated in the lung tissue of dissected human fetuses.

In a study of adult women who were vaccinated against Rubella, 55% developed Arthritis or joint pain within 4 weeks. Source: Annuals of the Rheumatic Diseases 1986;45:110-114. Additional studies confirm “chronic arthritis” after rubella vaccination.

Cases of congenital rubella syndrome actually INCREASED after the vaccine was introduced. Source: CDC’s MMWR (October 25, 1996);44(53):1-87

Nine cases of rubella were reported in 2004, and four cases of congenital rubella syndrome (CRS) were reported during 2001–2004. There’s over 300 million people in the US and that’s not including the illegal aliens.

DT - Diphtheria and Tetanus.

During an 11 year span, there was only 14 cases of Diphtheria reported in this country... an average of about one case per year.

In New York from 1875 to 1894, years before the antitoxin was introduced, the Diphtheria death rate had declined on its own by 45 percent!

Tetanus -

If you properly clean a child's wound then Tetanus is hardly a concern. If your child gets a deep cut, there is a form of the vaccine which is effective when used at the time of the emergency room visit. They would likely give it anyway - regardless of previous vaccine status.

I did not allow my son to get the Pertussis vaccine which is part of the DTaP. Pertussis is whooping cough and is dangerous to infants and the elderly, but most others survive with little or no complications. I was afraid of this one because it was the one said to have caused my brother's mental retardation back in the early 70's - DPT was its name back then, back when the doctors did not deny the vaccines caused brain damage. They have changed the vaccine to a less dangerous version now but my niece went into a coma after getting her DTaP. I would simply keep a new baby at home during peak seasons if I were concerned with the rare event that he or she could contract Pertussis.

I hope that helps but I can tell you now, if you don't know the diseases and know more about them than the doctor does - you will likely fold to the scare tactics. I did!




Edited 11/17/2008 1:03 am ET by crunchymomto2
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Registered: 04-09-2008
Tue, 11-18-2008 - 11:11am

Hi Beth, I have two children - one almost 2 and the other almost 3. With the exception of Hep B, neither are vaccinated. In regards to MMR (baring in mind I don't vacc at all) I definitely don't fear any of these diseases. We have a good healthy life style and should they contract any of the diseases above, it may be a miserable week or so but I'm confident they'll fair just fine and be done with it.


Exemptions don't need to apply until school-aged (public), although some daycares may need to also have something on file. (should you ever go this route, read these forms carefully and never sign what you don't believe to be true).


Each state has different exemptions and different requirements. You can find out about your state laws here: http://nvic.org/state-site/state-exemptions.htm

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