As a resource, this is the link to immunization laws by state.
Nice to meet you, Jon. :)
You certainly know your stuff and are well-spoken (in my experience, most engineers are ;)) I attended Worcester Polytech, in MA for undergrad .. though I chose the biology route and not engineering. When I discovered a BS in biology is a dead end unless you go on to earn a PhD, I switched over to a master's program in nursing.
Happy (belated) Veterans Day to you! DH is an Army Reserve officer, attending medical school -- we've got a long road ahead! :)
We have one son, 9 months old. We have vaccinated, but on an alternative schedule and have not given our son seasonal flu vaccine or H1N1 vaccine.
I tend to lean more toward the science and research, DH did infectious disease research (mostly HIV/AIDs vaccine work) prior to going back to school. My research was with cancer (of little use in debate on this board!) Despite our science background, I've read enough other anecdotal evidence to question the government recommendations .. and I enjoy playing devil's advocate from time to time.
You have your work cut out for you!
I'm aware of the how government works, and I am fully aware of the legal abuse that has occurred over the last 100 years. This is, and always will be, about jurisdiction. Legal challenge, in the right hands, is always successful.
There is a growing body of evidence that suggests that the federal income tax, as it is currently applied, is unconstitutional. Plenty of people to blame for that, and I'd love to go back in time and pick a fight with FDR. Do I pay them? Yes.
When I discovered a BS in biology is a dead end unless you go on to earn a PhD,
Isn't that the darn truth.
I'm only back briefly Citizen, probably until next week. I heard about this thread and needed to go quickly look. I've semi changed positions on what I was initially going to write.
Former Flight Ops Sergeant in Army and former Acting 1st Sergeant/Information Management in AF. Was pretty involved in the litigation of Doe vs. Rumsfeld (to be followed then by) FDA/HHS. Happy Belated Veterans' Day. (You too Melissa, to you and DH).
Although I realize you just coped a website, it's misleading. The only states that have actual laws (minus medical exemption) is WV and MS. (Unconstitutional if you ask me, and I'm hoping the lawsuit is going forward challenging it).
@critical / shmed
To say these are not laws is incorrect.
This is just it, "requirements" - which are met by (as stated), proof of immunization, proof of disease, or exemption. To state that immunizations are mandated by law is a farce. You perhaps didn't state it that way, and I apologize if I generalized. Most do that are die-hard pros. Again, re-read what I wrote.
To make clear again - I am anti-vax for MY children.... I don't care what others choose to do.
I got my anthrax, too!
If the federal government calls it a law, it's a law.
There is no federal law regarding citizens of the US. having to be immunized (inluding those going OCONUS, subject to that country's requirements) (Immigrants (as in new-coming into the US, YES, citizens, NO) - unless of course we start talking about pandemics, epidemics, national emergencies, where PBS may come into play, but even that is questionable....
You are the one that brought up the income tax. Tax cases do not set judicial precedents, nor are they to be applied to any and all tax cases universally. The Internal Revenue Code is NOT positive law, it is Special Law and I have the internal IRS document in my hand that proves it. I'd have to scan and it since the electronic version was eaten by my last computer I have to recreate without reference:
"The Internal Revenue Code is not positive law, it is special law. it applies to specific persons in the United States who choose to make themselves subject to the requirements of the special laws in the Internal Revenue Code by entering into an employment agreement within the U.S. Government."
Again, you asked the questions. If by trying to poke politically you can hope to dissuade any reasonable argument I make that doesn't support your point of view, I suppose that would help you wouldn't it? I'm not anti-vax, nor am I detached from reality. If your assertion is that federal income tax applied to the wages of ordinary citizens has been established in case law, then surely you'll have no trouble proving that.
Speaking of case law, what do you make of the attached. Of interest:
Now why would a US Attorney and a tax attorney with the DOJ say something like that? The government, and some of its agencies are entirely privatized. There are numerous documents that support this. More case law that may interest you is Cryer vs. the USA.