Vaccination schedule- what did/do you...

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Vaccination schedule- what did/do you...
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Tue, 08-11-2009 - 7:25pm

Vaccination schedule- what did/do you do?



  • I have not/ will not vaccinate my child at all based on current information
  • I follow an alternative schedule but my child will eventually receive all vaxes
  • I follow an alternative sched. and we do/did not vaccinate for certain illnesses
  • My child receives/d all vaccinations on time according to the CDC schedule
  • We started to vaccinate on schedule, then stopped due to research or AE
  • We started to vaccinate on an alternate schedule then quit due to research or AE
  • I have not made a decision yet.
  • other.


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Registered: 06-16-2009
Thu, 10-29-2009 - 8:31pm

What about people that have children that were never vaccinated but have autism?

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Thu, 10-29-2009 - 9:45pm

Yes, I understood it all. My views were not always myopic, obviously. I did partially vaccinate my son. Today I blame his seasonal allergies on vaccines. It is an autoimmune disorder, and aluminum has been proven to cause allergies and other autoimmune illnesses. There is so much evidence of that and its hard to believe anything else. The other studies point to antibiotics, which are also included in vaccines...

Viewpoints are not the reason why Autism isn't properly studied and what does a disservice to all autistic children is the blatant ignoring of the studies that prove vaccines are not safe. There are so many. But how many studies are there which prove that vaccines are completely safe? None, and the cop-out is this: "Everyone reacts differently" and then they add how its one in a zillion cases - completely ignoring the 1 in 80 stat of NJ boys with Autism. Well, yeah, as long as we deny the vaccine/Autism connection, we will never count those with Autism as being with "adverse" reactions. So I would say those numbers are skewed - in a really bad way!

Can you think of a good reason for the CDC NOT to track vaccine injury and ALL side effects? Because I cannot. In this technologically advanced world, we could easily do it - but they have their reasons for denying a legit system. Just like they have their reasons for not doing that vaccinated VS never-vaccinated study. And their reasons are bogus.

With those cases of Autism who were never vaccinated, I would have to take each one on a case-by-case basis. But first, I would like to know how many there are because they sure are difficult to find. Next I want to mention how I got into a debate with a lady who swore her child had never been vaccinated. I convinced her to get his records from the hospital and sure enough - he was vaccinated with the Hep B and the Vitamin K shot. She said she never signed anything, but I find that hard to believe. I was most shocked that she bothered to send me an email later and tell me that she had learned the truth. Both of my hospital deliveries left me with a bad taste in my mouth. They would come into my room and try to take the baby for shots...as if it were just standard procedure - and it was, who can blame them for vaccinating first, getting the signature later? I can also see some medical professionals who do what they do simply because they like to believe they are God...and know better than the stupid "anti-vaccine" Mother. So it wouldn't surprise me if a fair amount of "the Mother is just brainwashed, I'm gonna do what is best for this baby" isn't going on too.

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Thu, 10-29-2009 - 10:34pm
The mother I spoke of had a homebirth with her second and third children (third is the youngest, the one dx'ed with HFA). The baby never left her arms after the birth so "accidental vaccination" is not in play here. She did not do the vit K nor the eye ointment.

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Registered: 04-22-2005
Fri, 10-30-2009 - 11:48am

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Any source that isn't genetic is environmental and vice versa.
Examples of environmental causes of death are things like gunshot wound, poisoning, drowning, falls, etc.
Autism can either be caused by genetic factors or environmental factors or both, but not neither.















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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 10-30-2009 - 6:54pm
Thanks for that study Dee, I'm just getting around to reading it. If y'all have any studies worth mentioning, please share :) I would love to read anything about the causes of neurological and autoimmune disorders. If they don't point to vaccines, then all the better :)
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Mon, 11-02-2009 - 12:27pm
I don't know why but it is bothering me that you are dismissive of environmental possibilities. I read a lot on auto immune diseases (given that I have one) and one of the things that has really stood out to me is the culmination of environmental toxins in the last century. May be because there has been over 80,000 chemicals that have been introduced to our environments since the early 20th century and only about 600 have been tested for safety. According to the EPA 2.5 BILLION lbs of toxins are dumped into our environment every.single.year (6 million of which is mercury which is one reason why I am so concerned with the coal plant that is being considered in my area). The EWG did a study examining the umbilical cords of newborns and found a whopping 287 industrial chemicals. I mean seriously. The body is not meant to eliminate that kind of toxic load. These environmental toxins are the cause of auto immune disorders in a lot of people imo. We wonder why people are being dx'ed with Celiacs, Lupus, MS, etc. left and right. Some people just can not eliminate these toxins the way other people can. Actually most people are probably walking around not realizing that they are essentially toxic dumps. The people that are least able to eliminate toxins are those that end up with these dx'es though. Sometimes there is a genetic component. Some people are missing a gene that allows for more efficient elimination (GSTM1). I know a lot of people that blame auto immune disorders on vaccination. While I agree that vaccination does (seriously) disrupt the normal immune reaction I think it is short sighted to not take other environmental issues into consideration. IMO vaccines just happen to be the straw that breaks the camels back for some people. It is easy to pinpoint it as a cause because it is something that we have as tangible proof, it is an act, kwim? A lot of people just do not consider the culminative effect of everything else we come into contact with. I mean auto immune disorders are an overreaction of the immune system. Something has to cause it, imo based on the fact that there has been such a significant increase in the numbers over the last century there is a correlation. I know this is in reference to auto immune disorders (I have not really researched autism because to be honest I don't have time to look too far into something that is not effecting me) but to me, anyway,

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 11-03-2009 - 12:35am

I am thankful for your perspective Charlotte. I won't be wasting my time posting here any longer, but I will continue to read your posts and also posts by some of the other regulars.

Here is my point:

Injected can never be compared to ingested. Breathing air with harmful substances can not be compared to injecting harmful substances. When the pro-vaccine people start that nonsense, it's a telltale sign.

Environmental causes are numerous and the studies are very lacking. I have to wonder why. I use only heirloom seeds in my garden now, so yes, I do believe that we have some valid environmental problems.

This is how I see it -

Take all the studies that point to environmental causes and put them in one hand. Take all the studies on adjuvants and heavy metals, put them in another hand. Which do we have more studies on? Now pull out the ones that are "inconclusive"....just about all of them right?

But that's only part of my point:

Where are the asthma studies of never vaccinated VS vaccinated?

Where are the allergy studies of never vaccinated VS vaccinated?

Where are the ADHD studies of never vaccinated VS vaccinated?

Where are the arthritis studies of never vaccinated VS vaccinated?

(I could go on, but you get my point.)

Why hasn't the pharma-mafia found people like your friend and paid them or begged them to use their story on a website devoted to proving that autism does exist among those never vaccinated?

That seems like it would shut everyone up - once and for all. But still, no study. We have talk, but still no study.

Why?

And as I said in another thread, please do post those studies that prove environment is causing neurological and autoimmune diseases. That would be an experiment that may open your eyes a little. OR Mine :) whichever comes first ;). The article Dee posted was not a study, it was an article about a study, not really helpful, but I know you come across stuff all the time, please share whenever you think about it...I'll still be reading.

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Registered: 04-28-2007
Tue, 11-03-2009 - 3:28pm

Lol, sorry, for not being "helpful." To gain access to the study I would have to find where it's published and no doubt pay for the privilege of reading it. However, I did find the same study in several articles, including some mainstream news papers such as the UK Times. Obviously the scince community at large found it helpful.

Then I did more poking around and discovered said study was spearheaded by Autism Speaks (no surprise there) and Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia, (CHOP). Yes, the same CHOP that Dr. Paul Offit hails from, oh and yes, he's buddy buddy with the study's author.

So now although I don't totally discredit the study I certainly have issues finding the monetary and ethical aspects credible.

Dee

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Wed, 11-04-2009 - 12:24am

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/episodes/2009/09/25

This is an interesting segment on parasites ..specifically -- the hook worm section about how allergies and possibly other auto immune disorders can be "cured" with a healthy dose of hook worm ..

Maybe our problem is that our lives have become too "clean" ..

Something to think about ..




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Registered: 06-16-2009
Wed, 11-04-2009 - 12:37am
That is called the hygeine hypothesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis

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