What have you learned?

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What have you learned?
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Tue, 05-06-2003 - 2:05pm
If you are a vaxer, what have you learned about the possible benefits of not vaxing?

If you are an unvaxer, what have you learned about the possible benefits of vaxing?

No underhanded comments, please. If you truly have not learned anything, please don't respond.

Lucky

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Tue, 05-06-2003 - 2:10pm
I am fully vaxed as are my DH and DS.

I have learned that not all unvaxers came about their decision from internet quacks. Alot have slowly researched and gained knowledge over the years. I have also learned about children that have possibly been harmed by vaccines. I always signed the papers and worried for a day or two after Michael's vaxes, but I really had never heard of any harmful side effects until I came to this board. If I had a baby now, I would probably stretch out the vaccines instead of putting so much into a baby at one time.

Lucky

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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 12:59pm
I thought my question was a good one but no one responded so I thought I would bring it back to the top. If no one responds still, I'll leave it alone.

Lucky

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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 2:50pm
I have learned from being on here that ALL of us as parents only want what is best for our children. Be it vaccinations or not. I know that some parents have had a child sick from vaccinations and others that have watched a child sick with a VPD...yet our one common goal is to make sure that our children are as healthy as can be. I vax for me that is something I think is important to do for health of MY children. Have I spaced some vaxes? Yes I have....spacing them I mean if my child needs 4 she might only get TWO. That is just because I do not think my poor kid needs to be poked that many times at once lol.

Do I agree with not vaxing? No..BUT I do understand where a parent is coming from! More so NOW then I did when Lindsey first got sick. When she first got sick I could not BELIEVE a parent would let their child walk this earth NOT being protected...THEN I found this board....and yes I have learned alot. I understand ALOT. We are parents who love our children and dont want them to suffer needlessly..well if I had watched Lindsey suffer from a reaction to a vaccine I would think differently I am sure...but I was on the OTHER side and watched her suffer from something NO child should have to endure. So yea at first it was really hard for me to grasp the concept of NON Vaxing parents...HOWEVER I do not think they are nuts I think they try to be as well informed as they can be. Different views yes, but always the same goal...HEALTHY CHILDREN..

Great conversations Lucky it has been awsome seeing your questions really bring people out to the board. God Bless as always.

Carla

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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 4:57pm
I'll answer the question when I have more time.

Christine

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Fri, 05-09-2003 - 2:11am
I have spent 8 years or so collecting vaccine information, mostly on smallpox vaccination, and you can see the results http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

I would never dream of vaccinating my kids now, the danger of vaccines is huge, now its 1 in 86 kids with autism, mostly from vaccines.

john

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 9:53am
I have learned WAY more than I ever wanted to know about vaccines!! I have learned to pay great attention to sources when I hear "facts" stated. I am grateful for the research guidance I received from folks on this board. I have learned how incredibly easy it is to manipulate data -- especially statistics -- to provide "evidence" for your conclusions. I have learned this topic is incredibly complicated and multi-faceted, and there is no one answer that is best for everyone.

I am one of the few who actually "converted" here -- I started as a non-vaxxer, due to my fears about vaccines (from reading info from alternative health sources). Through much reading and research, I concluded that for my family judicious use of vaccines is the safer choice. However, I still have concerns about making vaccines as safe as possible and recognizing dangerous reactions in children, and I am very interested in the ongoing research regarding any possible link between vaccines and allergy/autoimmunity. I feel very fortunate we have vaccines, and do not have to face the fear of infectious disease that previous generations had (at least for now -- new diseases like SARS may change that) but I also believe there should be a philosophical exemption available to any parent who has doubts. There ARE adverse reactions. And there ARE valid reasons for refusing vaccines. But I also get very upset by false information spread by many anti-vaxx sites that frighten parents needlessly. Sometimes it is downright lies -- like the Japan/SIDS thing -- which even Stephanie Cave still perpetrates -- she should know better! In case you don't know what this is -- it is the claim (probably still on whale.to, LOL) that when the Japanese raised the age for DPT shots from 2 months to starting at 2 years, SIDS deaths remarkably disappeared. But the truth is that SIDS deaths did NOT disappear -- SIDS deaths *attributed to DTP* disappeared. What this really means is that SIDS deaths could no longer be BLAMED on DTP, because there was no DTP given to babies! The SIDS rate did NOT go down. And due to the resurgence of Pertussis among their babies, they returned to the regular schedule (starting at 2 months). But that is not stated on anti-vaxx sites when the story is told. It is highly misleading stories like this that destroy the credibility of anti-vaxxers, when they will say anything to forward their agenda. Please don't get me wrong -- I am not blaming the ordinary non-vaxxing parents who post on this board (oops, except John! LOL) Like I said, antivaxxers have their own reasons, and some are quite valid. I just don't like to see people being convinced vaccines are horrible and dangerous based on deliberately false or misleading information. And this type of information *abounds*.

Good question!

Keeley

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Tue, 05-13-2003 - 10:24pm
I can't really answer the question directly - I haven't learned any real benefits of not vaxing except for the perception that ones' "rights" are "preserved/exercised". I have realized to what extent the misrepresentations exist that influence people to choose to not vax - as Keeley outlined with just one example. My all-time favorite example is the claim that the pertussis vaccine induces "brain swelling" typically followed by a citation referencing a Japanese study. In actuality, the rats in the study did, indeed, suffer brain swelling from pertussis vaccine, but this swelling is induced by direct injection of the vaccine *into* the brain.

I do see, though, that the choice to not vax is really the best of both worlds - no risk of vaccine adverse reaction and, because most others do vax, little risk of VPD related complications. Frankly, I don't like the idea of the vaxed being "taken advantage of", but those who oppose vaccination typically don't believe in the concept of herd immunity anyways so there is no ambiguity (for those who don't vax anyways).

I'm not sure that really answered the question....

Eve