What is it about vaccine reactions?

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Registered: 01-02-2009
What is it about vaccine reactions?
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Mon, 01-12-2009 - 9:10am

I'm having a hard time figuring out something.

Point A: Obviously vaccines have some risks, or we wouldn't be hearing about parasites, i.e. non-vaxers, taking advantage of the virtuous, who undergo the RISK of having their children vaccinated to maintain herd immunity against disease. Right?

Point B: People who claim to have vaccine damaged children obviously vaccinated them, took the risk, and are enduring the consequences. So these people should be treated as heroes for herd immunity. Right?

Point C: However, in real life, vaccine damage is very likely to be dismissed. By doctors. By the program which is supposed to compensate the vaccine injured. In news stories. In medical journals. By CDC spokespeople. And in the online community it seems to be mostly either ignored or denied. Why?

Where I'm heading with this: the problem of the denial of vaccine damage has a lot to do with fueling the vaccine critics. Even parents whose children are vaccine damaged don't necessarily jump immediately and totally into the anti-vaccine camp. They are pushed there, gradually, but the discovery that they are considered to be the bad guys, even though they vaccinated and even though their children took the risk and even though they did their bit for herd immunity and a lot more. And other parents read these stories and see what happened and see who gets blamed and who doesn't.

So why the attempts to pretend that there is RISK but that this risk never results in any actual injuries?

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Registered: 08-20-2007
Mon, 01-12-2009 - 1:22pm

I think the bottom line is that you have no experience with drug addiction


How do you think this? Because im not a doctor/nurse?


btdt with pain medication.


btdt - Seeing my fiance go through depression pill hell.

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Mon, 01-12-2009 - 1:27pm

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How do you think this? Because im not a doctor/nurse?

btdt with pain medication.

btdt - Seeing my fiance go through depression pill hell. >>

I think this because your statements seem to indicate having little or no compassion / sympathy for those who are addicted.. truly addicted. Doctors and nurses are not the only people who have experience with addictions -- so no, I don't think it is some "club" of people who are "in the know" about addiction ... I just think that understanding how an addiction works would require one to recognize that oftentimes the addict is not fully in control of his or her thoughts / feelings / actions. Not that I claim to 100% understand addiction -- there is plenty I could learn about it .. but I see it often enough, and have tapered enough people down off of drugs that I have a rough understanding.



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Registered: 08-20-2007
Mon, 01-12-2009 - 1:36pm

Oh i have compassion but not for a statement like this - The doctor had me hooked for 7 years, 7 YEARS.


With out even taking a tiny bit of the blame on herself.


I read your post and i do agree. I just think people should stop solely blaming doctors for the whole lot.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Mon, 01-12-2009 - 2:48pm

You are sooo hitting the nail on the head!

For me, I had to detox on my own. My dr wasn't doing anything except prescribing meds. It was when I met my dh that someone finally said "wait, you don't need this" and with his love and support I was able to realize that and get my life back. It's amazing when you look back on the years of addiction. People think of druggies in a back alley shooting heroin and don't realize that the mom sitting next to you in church may be so good at functioning through her drug use that you'd never realize she's addicted to prescription meds. I think some people just don't understand because they've either never been around it or a part of it. Thanks for shedding some unbiased light on the subject to any who never knew!

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Mon, 01-12-2009 - 2:50pm
I agree there are problems on many levels that should be addressed. I'm not against the medical profession as a whole. I think they should be checked and regulated more. I wish we still lived in the days of house calls and personal visits and doctors that seemed to have a bit more ethics than some of the ones out there today. KWIM? Ah, simpler times.
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Registered: 03-27-2003
Mon, 01-12-2009 - 4:27pm

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Is this how you approach parents of children who have been hurt or killed by vaccines? Do you walk up to the them and tell them your family got vaccines and were fine so they're no problem?


If you're questioning vaccines or not vaccinating at all, stop by the Non-Vaccine Support Board that I proudly host: http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ppnonvaccine


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are not unknowingly part of a deeper conspiracy.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Tue, 01-13-2009 - 12:10am


I agree there are problems on many levels that should be addressed. I'm not against the medical profession as a whole. I think they should be checked and regulated more. I wish we still lived in the days of house calls and personal visits and doctors that seemed to have a bit more ethics than some of the ones out there today. KWIM? Ah, simpler times.

-- I think it'd be fantastic to go back to house calls and 1/2 hour - 45 minute office visits!! :) ... how can insurance companies be convinced of this? Working at a teaching hospital and attending a master's program that is connected to the medical school gives me the opportunity to meet lots of new doctors -- may of whom are in the profession for the wrong reasons: money & status. It's really sad, but unfortunately, medicine is like a fraternity .. if your dad (or mom) is a doctor, you have a much easier time also being accepted to the club. BUT .. there are some GOOD doctors out there .. really good ones .. it just takes a bit of looking around. And just based on my experience through work, I would say that on the whole Doctors of Osteopathy are a more attentive / patient-oriented bunch than the Medical Doctors .. DO vs. MD .. DOs tend to be more "hands on".



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Registered: 09-09-2007
Tue, 01-13-2009 - 1:32am

I'm sure it's greatly seeded in their training. The extra hours in hands on training must make an impact.
I've often thought it was still a "boy's club" so to speak.

I wonder if a study has been done on gender making a difference in time spent with patients. I do think that, generally, the older the doctor the more likely he will be to have those old school ways of conducting business. The big area I think that old school thought can be a downfall is when in comes to alternative treatments. That kind of thinking is relatively new to mainstream medicine and I think the old doctors are a little set in their ways. I wonder if it's harder for a drug company to whine and dine an older doctor.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Tue, 01-13-2009 - 9:25am

Wow, this thread jumped the rails, big time.

My point was: parents of vaccine injured children face denial of the injury. They face years and years in vaccine court with a good chance of losing the case in the end because the gov fights these cases bitterly hard. They run into people online and in real life who pretend that vaccine injury doesn't exist--well it does exist in general--but it is so rare that any parent who claims vaccine injury must be mistaken. Coincidence.

I've seen it on every board where I've participated discussing vaccines. Parents who claim vaccine injury in their child will encounter people who deny it and also people who just slide right on past and pretend it wasn't mentioned.

But once again, these parents are the heroes of the vaccine program! Why isn't their sacrifice acknowledged and appreciated?

Actually, the way this thread went is a perfect demo of what I'm talking about. Thanks...I guess.

Ya know, I've run into parents whose children got really sick from illnesses where there are now vaccines. I've never pretended they didn't exist nor have I tried to deny the reality of their experiences.

All I'm looking for is a realistic picture of the risks of vaccines compared with the risks of the diseases.

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Tue, 01-13-2009 - 11:32am

Sorry things went wayward! I never meant to dodge the fact that children are injured by vaccines. I'm antivax and agree with you that these cases are far too often dismissed or ignored. It's pathetic. I think that when you give a provaxer an example of a child injured by vaccine it's too hard for them to rebut with anything other than dismissal or denial. It's sad that these children are pushed off like that. They should be in the foreground of every discussion.

For my part in the tangent of the thread let me just say that I have a very good ability to do that to any conversation! ;-)
Ever seen the comic Louis C.K? He does a stitch about his wife telling a story and getting off on several tangents before the end of the first sentence. That's me!

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