What is it about vaccine reactions?

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-02-2009
What is it about vaccine reactions?
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Mon, 01-12-2009 - 9:10am

I'm having a hard time figuring out something.

Point A: Obviously vaccines have some risks, or we wouldn't be hearing about parasites, i.e. non-vaxers, taking advantage of the virtuous, who undergo the RISK of having their children vaccinated to maintain herd immunity against disease. Right?

Point B: People who claim to have vaccine damaged children obviously vaccinated them, took the risk, and are enduring the consequences. So these people should be treated as heroes for herd immunity. Right?

Point C: However, in real life, vaccine damage is very likely to be dismissed. By doctors. By the program which is supposed to compensate the vaccine injured. In news stories. In medical journals. By CDC spokespeople. And in the online community it seems to be mostly either ignored or denied. Why?

Where I'm heading with this: the problem of the denial of vaccine damage has a lot to do with fueling the vaccine critics. Even parents whose children are vaccine damaged don't necessarily jump immediately and totally into the anti-vaccine camp. They are pushed there, gradually, but the discovery that they are considered to be the bad guys, even though they vaccinated and even though their children took the risk and even though they did their bit for herd immunity and a lot more. And other parents read these stories and see what happened and see who gets blamed and who doesn't.

So why the attempts to pretend that there is RISK but that this risk never results in any actual injuries?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 3:00pm

Anthrax: Serious allergic reaction (very rare - less than once in 100,000 doses).

Which ingredient were you allergic to???

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 3:03pm

"Less serious: * Seizure (jerking or staring) (about 1 child out of 14,000)"

They consider a seizure "less serious"? Does that include seizures that come and go for a lifetime? Either way, I thought a seizure was serious!

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2008
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 3:55pm

LOL - all of it - I wouldn't go near it (any really, but definitely not that one...)


Ha - here's where they get those numbers - the military.... which usage paved the way for civilians based on safety.

Rands

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 4:30pm

No VAERS 'specially for the military? Who does a person report to when he/she has an adverse reaction? I'm wondering what happens with the info. when/if it's reported.

Some of the numbers used by the CDC are just whacky! In the example above: "Seizure (jerking or staring) (about 1 child out of 14,000)" I bet I have not talked to 14000 Moms on the internet in just the last three months, yet I've met 4 Mom's who said their child had "seizure disorder" which began right after vaccination. I've talked to plenty of Mom's who have Autistic children and say their child stares off into space.

With 1 in 150 being the current rate of autism, that 14000 figure is laughable! Oh but I guess the Autistic children are not having "seizures" when they stare into space, so it's not counted as such?

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-02-2009
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 9:34pm

Yes, but children get 5 (count them), 5 doses of DtaP, so you need to divide 14,000 by 5 which gives you one in 2,800 children who have seizures after this vaccine. Which is what they admit to, but you've got to suspect that the real number is higher.

I didn't go that far down the list, if anyone has time you can find the page and copy the rest of the reaction rates--the admitted reaction rates--for further discussion.

What I found interesting is the repetition of the severe allergic reaction as the only really bad thing they will admit happens. Just quietly write off all the other problems, la di dah.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 10:41pm

5? I had no idea how many boosters there were. And ya know, I've gotten into it with people who work at the pharmaceutical companies, they don't realize how the numbers are skewed, they fully trust them, just like the rest of dumbed-down America.

"severe allergic reaction"

A catch-all phrase to ALSO include symptoms/reactions that don't have a darn thing to do with allergies...

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Registered: 01-19-2009
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 11:07pm
I really shouldn't get involved here because I am very pro-vaccination - the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. But when my son had his shots that were required for kindergarten he had a severe reaction and ended up in the hospital. They actually weren't sure if it was the shot itself or if he had a massive infection after the shot, but whatever, the effect was the same. His whole upper body swelled up - he looked like a little superhero. It was really scary. But the most obnoxious thing about it was that I kept reading the documents they gave me about it and it seemed like it was a normal reaction. Luckily it didn't affect his breathing, and the swelling went down and he's had no aftereffects. But it was really scary. His doctor has said he can't have his next booster in case he reacts again.



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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Wed, 01-21-2009 - 12:04am

" His doctor has said he can't have his next booster in case he reacts again."

It sounds as if you've found a wonderful doctor! Some doctors would just continue to follow the schedule. :(

The last doctor we saw before switching - I mentioned the rate of autism, she demanded that it wasn't true. I could not believe that doctors did not stay abreast of something so important! I found out that she wasn't the only one. I have been in conversations where I saw that I knew more about vaccine issues than the doctor I was speaking to. I would always give them the benefit of the doubt, come home, look into it...they were wrong! I think the final straw for me was the nurse who demanded that my newborn would die without vaccines! I think the scare tactics get worse with each new generation of med students.

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2008
Wed, 01-21-2009 - 7:54am

This is where it gets interesting - and was what I was referring to when responding to Melissa or her hubby (forget which one it was) re: VAERS. The medical doctor was going to file it in my military medical records. It wasn't going anywhere.

Rands

iVillage Member
Registered: 12-14-2005
Wed, 01-21-2009 - 10:50am

Welcome to the board ck2d,

I do hope you stick around post. The "more the merrier" on this board always makes for an interesting discussion! :)






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