When is the last time you *saw* someone

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When is the last time you *saw* someone
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Wed, 04-09-2003 - 1:11pm
with measles?! I mean with your own eyes (not someone's cousin who knew of someone, who heard of a family of 8, etc). Someone on a German vaccination debate board claims that his friend in the US *sees* measles cases "all the time" (and that friend is not a doctor). With 37 or so cases reported for the last year for the entire US, I find that hard to believe...

I cannot remember anyone with measles since my brother had them about 20 years ago.

Catherina

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Mon, 04-14-2003 - 8:46am
I've never seen a person with measles. I've heard it referenced to in '60's and '70's tv shows. I've heard family members ages 40-60+ tell me about having had measles or having friends who did (my mom's then-fiance went sterile from having had measles), but never have I seen an actual person with them. I had chicken pox at 17 (1989) and so did my sister and cousins and a ton of us- it was very catchy. That's my only first-hand experience with a now-VPD.
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Sun, 04-13-2003 - 8:35am
And wouldn't any school send a child home/report a case of rashy illness?!

I cannot imagine that so many cases go unreported, unless you have the homeschooled child, whose parents visit a naturopaths, but even those children would need to catch measles first.

I was just interested to get feedback from many areas of the US. Hamburg, with 1.7 million inhabitants gets about 1 measles case per month, so I assume that I could live under the impression for many years that measles were eradicated in Germany. Coburg, on the other hand, has less than 100'000 inhabitants and had over 1'300 measles cases last year, so I doubt there are many people there who are under the impression that measles no longer exist .

Catherina

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Sat, 04-12-2003 - 10:54pm
In addition to what Catherina mentioned, the rash from the MMR vaccine is not contagious and shouldn't be considered a "case" of measles.

Regarding "unrecognized" measles cases that Kimberly mentioned - true, possible, however IME, unlikely to be a significant number. At least around here, parents are VERY quick to bring children in with rashes especially unexplained rashes almost certainly associated with the typical measles presentation: cough, coryza, conjunctivitis, etc. Parents tend to freak with just one or two of these symptoms let alone all the ones that typically accompany a measles infection.

Eve

 
 
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Fri, 04-11-2003 - 8:09pm
Uh, let me think. Okay, that would be NEVER.;) Oh, wait; fifth grade there were a few cases, and several of Mumps that same year. I recall the teacher "diagnosing" a few cases one day, by noting the swollen nodes and sending the "offending" students home;) None with any complications, I assume, as the kids were back in school after the obligatory recupperation period, perfectly fine. So that makes it, what? 25+ yrs ago?

However, I must add that I dispute the idea that there were only 37 cases of Measles in the US last year; likely MANY more which simply went unreported. A logical assumption, since Measles, like chickenpox, is usually an illness that resolves without complications and in some cases, is so mild that it is not recognized/taken to a doctor (who may not report it even if it is).

But then, I would prefer my children to experience the disease in childhood when it is typically less serious than in adulthood, so I do not consider a higher than reported incidence nec. a bad thing.

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Fri, 04-11-2003 - 12:28pm
Ah, now I see! MAkes much more sense- thanks for the clarification Catherina! ~Miki
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Fri, 04-11-2003 - 9:56am
I think what she is referring to is the rash that about 10% of all MMR vaccinated children get as a reaction to the vaccination, which of course, is NOT measles, but a normal response to the vaccine (Ferdi had a rash for a week that started 9 days after the vax and that is described on the package insert).

I was talking about "real" measles, the one caused by the wild virus that leads to the 20% complications...

Catherina

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Fri, 04-11-2003 - 7:30am
Are you sure she wasn't referring to the efficacy rate of the first MMR being 85%, with another 13% gaining immunity from the 2nd dose- bringing up the immunity rate to 98% for fully vaccinated individuals? That 15% rang the bells for me. If not, would you be aware of how she derived that statistic (personal experience, studies)?


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Thu, 04-10-2003 - 8:39pm
My son's pediatrician told me that she sees measles cases ALL the time from the vaccine. She said about 15% of children receiving vaccines get the measles.
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Thu, 04-10-2003 - 9:49am
I haven't seen measles up close, but actually called our county health department (suburban Philadelphia) to find out the incidences of all VPD's in the county. The ONLY ones they count are Measles, Mumps, Ruebella and Pertussis...no others are "required to be reported." I was looking for MMR and CP numbers to help me make my decisions to vax w/ these or not.

After much teeth pulling and wondering how the state can "require" vaxes for diseases that they have no statistics on...this is what my VERY helpful county health department person gave me.

Okay, tried to do a chart...came out like a lump. In 2002 there was ONE case each of Measles and Ruebella, 8 of Pertussis and NO incidence of Mumps. The average incidence of these diseases for the years 1999, 2000 and 2001 was 6 for Pertussis and ZERO for all three others.

Interestingly, these stats were not available ANYWHERE on line. I called the state first, they couldn't tell me much and recommended my county. She was quite helpful, but had to go search out the info and email it to me about a week later. She said she almost NEVER gets requests for this info.

So I've basically decided to go ahead and give dd the Ruebella vax, and hold off on CP for now. Dd is 21mo and completely vaxed to date EXEPT for Hep B, MMR and CP. Thankfully we go to a daycare center that is flexible about vaxing. Took a long search to find a ped that honors our decisions, but she's great too.

HTH??

Christine

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Wed, 04-09-2003 - 8:29pm
I have not seen anyone here in the US personally who has had Measels. The only thing I have HEARD is that my DH had them when he was a baby. Of course he does not really count since he was born in England in 1973. LOL

I have not seen or heard of it here. Of course I am sure that there have been a case or two here and there.

Carla

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