WHY Won't They Do The Research?

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Registered: 11-17-2007
WHY Won't They Do The Research?
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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 8:17am

http://autisminnb.blogspot.com/2009/02/vaccine-autism-war-why-wont-they-do.html

Apart from the many thousands of allegedly hysterical, delusional parents and allegedly fraudulent, huckster professionals who have raised safety concerns, particularly autism concerns, about vaccines two high ranking members of the American public health system have stated a need for more research of possible vaccine-autism connections.

Dr. Julie Gerberding, former head of the CDC and Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of the NIH and the American Red Cross have BOTH indicated that more research of vaccine-autism issues COULD and SHOULD be done.

So WHY are public health authorities like the Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee REFUSING to authorize funding to research possible vaccine-autism connections?

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Sat, 12-19-2009 - 12:48pm

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A person's vaccination status / history is certainly relevant when viewing the totality of the data, unless they only received MMR and no other vaccines.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 12-20-2009 - 9:59pm

Never mind for now, I better leave it alone.

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Registered: 11-06-2009
Tue, 12-22-2009 - 12:00pm

In order to conduct a study of vaccinated versus unvaccinated, the study must have a few elements as a basic;


1) one needs a pristine population - completely unvaccinated and yet in comparative medical environment


2) one must conduct a long term follow up with the population


Asides from the ethical nature of denying vaccines which are KNOWN to save lives to a population, one must first define what precisely one is trying to uncover.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Tue, 12-22-2009 - 2:16pm

Overall health outcomes. Does Generation Rescue's survey have any merit? Why not do a legitimate study?


I could certainly see a sample size of maybe 15,000 where long-term follow up could occur (in fact, it would be very useful) - phones or surveys.


IMO, I can't see at all how it could be considered unethical if you are dealing with a subpopulation that doesn't want to be vaccinated to begin with. I've lately encountered many new mom and those to be soon who have either made up their mind now, or did prior to giving birth that they didn't want vaccinations, it wasn't a decision reached after the fact; so there is such a group out there to study, which is why I questioned how it could be determined unethical.


One group with every vaccine that is offered (assuming no contraindications along the way) and the other with none (that want it that way).

Rands

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Wed, 12-23-2009 - 2:53pm

I think Jon probably knows this. It's one of their beloved topics always chosen to be ignored. I would gladly participate in a study too. I do not see how my decision to NOT vaccinate my child and then allowing her medical records to be part of a study would be unethical in any way, form or fashion. Most parents who CHOOSE not to vaccinate feel the same way. I would even like to have my never vaccinated child's titers done...just to see how many diseases she may have a NATURAL immunity to. I think that would be interesting.

The "unethical" ploy is just another excuse. Jon knows this, he's been around long enough to have gone down this road already.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Wed, 12-23-2009 - 3:04pm
Unless those (officials) that don't want to do a study are concerned about psychosematic bias factors, I'm really not sure where the problem lies regarding 'ethics'...??? I never have received an answer on that one.

Rands


Rands

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Registered: 08-05-2008
Sat, 12-26-2009 - 2:20am

Having personally met and listened to Andrew Moulden, I'd have to disagree with this. His theories are extremely interesting and groundbreaking, and I think it's fair to say that nobody else does anything like the work he does.
One of the areas he specifically studies, transcortical motor aphasia (if I remember correctly!), has hardly been explored. It's quite possible he could only have hit on part of the problem, but as groundbreaking as his work is, I don't think it's wise to ignore it. Just further study it and dig deeper. Calling him a quack just points to ones own lack of interest in genuine scientific exploration. The world definitely needs more people like him!

>And furthermore, the likes of Moulden (and Caton for that matter) are more akin to quacks who offer "simple solutions to complex problems". However, unlike say aspirin, nothing they offer works or is based in science.

Mouden Bunk - http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Andrew_Moulden

Caton Lunacy - http://www.eregimens.com/regimens/CancerSkin.htm

*sigh*

Please replace your tinfoil hats

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Registered: 11-17-2007
Sat, 12-26-2009 - 9:09am

Speaking of quacks, how many of them work for the CDC? I've met a lot people in the science business, and they too have an attitude of "well the science says"...i dont care what the science of something says, it is the outcome of the scientific experiment that produces the results.. and if the outcome is not to a scientist's liking, he can skew the statistics so the findings are more persuasive.

oh gee. that vaccine your baby had has nothing to do with the seizures he is now having an hour later.. never mind the fact that the baby was perfectly fine til he got a shot...but the science says its safe and effective to give to babies... even tho we haven't studied the correlation between vaxes and the developing immune system in a way that proves otherwise. Once again, skewed statistics.
What would happen if a link was found between vaxes and autism or any other child-debilitating neurological problem?

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sat, 12-26-2009 - 2:29pm

"What would happen if a link was found between vaxes and autism or any other child-debilitating neurological problem?"

I have given a lot of thought to this and frankly it scares me when I consider how, as a society, we might react.

Then I consider that our government is about to take over health care entirely ---

That's beyond frightening!

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sat, 12-26-2009 - 2:49pm

Rational Wiki is nothing more than a blog. Since you are so over zealous about *Science* and the ever-so-respected *scientific proof* then how about you provide us with the SCIENTIFIC studies which prove that Dr. Moulden's information is being reviewed by the SCIENCE community. And we want details about the conflicts of interest before we even get started, okay?

I'm no scientist but I don't think one has to be in order to see how incredibly stupid it is to compare our environment to that of a third world country. Yet you keep doing it! So for the purpose of debate --- can you drop it? It's very time consuming, but you know that, right?

If you have nothing better than the words of this ego-maniac, Orac and his side kicks, you're wasting our time.