Discipline in your school?

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Discipline in your school?
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Tue, 01-19-2010 - 4:45pm

Do you think it's fair? How do your administrators handle it? Do they support you?

I'm curious because of an incident I mention below. I had a student catch a cell phone that was tossed to him in my classroom and when I asked him for it, he refused to give it to me. I told him he would have to go to the AP's office if he refused and then he refused to go to the office and the AP's secretary had to come and get him. What did he get for being insubordinate to not only me but also to the AP? He got a half day in in school suspension. That's it. Am I crazy or is that not enough of a punishment?

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Tue, 01-19-2010 - 5:04pm
You're not crazy. Discipline is getting worse all the time. For instance, today one of my students came to get her work for ISS because she broke the dress code (holes at the knees). Another student was wearing a hat, but the same administrator told her how cute she was. The hat IS quite fashionable. One is a straight-A student, honor roll, etc. The other is not bad, but slightly alternative, tiny attitude I suspect. Take a guess which student got to wear her hat, and which had ISS.

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Tue, 01-19-2010 - 6:01pm
Discipline in our building is much different than it was two years ago. Two years ago, discipline happened haphazardly depending on the identity of the student. Now, to listen to the students, you'd think we ran a Soviet labor camp. If that sort of infraction happened in our school, a student would probably get one day in-school suspension depending on whether or not it was the student's first infraction. However, the student would probably be forced to write a letter of apology to the people he or she insulted. If the student already had more than that single infraction, he or she may have spent longer in ISS or could possibly have received OSS. Personally, the discipline policy we have in our school now is a drastic improvement over what it was before.
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Tue, 01-19-2010 - 9:31pm

Was this an overall first offense or does this kid have a record?

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Wed, 01-20-2010 - 9:21am

I don't know what everyone answered, but I'll give you my take on it. Personally BOTH children should have gotten exactly what the discipline policy states. If it was suspension, detention or a write up, then that's what should have happened.

Now your admins will say well, "we did remove him from the room and he did suffer a consequence, so we backed you up." But they half ass did it and now has set you up for continuous problems with that child and others.

Even though there are children who have no boundaries regardless of what you say or do, for most they do what they want BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT. When did we stop being the adults??? I'm so sick of systems who are afraid of people and their reactions. Cause I'll tell you this,

Let his ass (yep that's what I said) refuse to cooperate with authorities at an airport or any other public place that has strict policies and HE'S GOING TO JAIL.

To me, I personally don't think they should have cellphones in school period, but put them in your locker and lock the locker. All the adults have phones and the school has a land line. No need for you to be carrying your phone around and interrupting the education process for everyone else over a damn phone. (yep, I'm cussing)

So yes, you were played, he's going to be a jerk to you now and the admins didn't handle this properly. I'm so sorry, but don't back down. Follow the policy, do what you are supposed to do as an educator and be sure to document EVERYTHING. It helps in the long term. (yes I know you know all this, just trying to be helpful)

There are schools that work. WHY?? Because the "intelligent" adults are in charge and they run things fairly yet properly.

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Wed, 01-20-2010 - 4:21pm
He's a behavior problem. I was talking to my team leader about him and she said "Justin doesn't learn anything from his punishments." She wasn't condoning what happened, just stating her opinion. I said to her then how about making him an example. All of the other kids who witnessed this or know about it, now know they can defy the asst principal and get only a half day in ISS.
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Wed, 01-20-2010 - 7:19pm
We had an intervention system as an alternative. If the kid had a record and had served more than one ISS without improvement then the parent had to come in and meet with the team, discuss issues and problems and then develop an improvement plan for home and school. If the plan didn't work, alternative placements, OSS and expulsion could be fast tracked. Parents often hated to comply with the plan
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Wed, 01-20-2010 - 8:17pm
Sounds like a good idea. We have nothing like that at may school. We do have a plan to reward kids that *have* been in trouble though, which really bugs the cr*p out of me. If a kid get a detention, but then he's good for a couple of weeks, he actually gets a reward. So the kid who is always good never gets anything, but the kids who get in trouble but then stay out of trouble for a while, get rewarded. My AP runs this contest. I shake my head every time he sends out the email asking for student names.
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Thu, 01-21-2010 - 10:08am

I have the angry icon for your AP not you guili....

And to me that's the greatest tragedy of this thing we call "school" the natural tendency we all have to pay more attention to the negative and overlook the positive.

I was that kid. Stay out of trouble, followed directions, wasn't a big problem, sure I had my moments, but most of the time was a good kid and yet I sat there unnoticed many days and wondered if anyone ever knew I was there.

Then as an educator, I have to pull the positive kids aside, on the quiet tip and let them know that I do see them and I appreciate that they are doing such a great job for me. I have to make them understand that they are not going unnoticed. It's so sad. I can't even praise them out loud because the "hardheads" cry favoritism.

Same things with our performance as teachers, "oh you have 5 kids failing in your room, what are you going to do about them" But the rest are succeeding and yet, you're calling me on the carpet for the five who aren't. By the way, can't do a damn thing for them if they are not here. That's common sense. UGH!!

Even in my life right now. Everywhere I turn, screw ups are getting help and rewarded and I am floundering and yet everyone just tells me, "oh you'll be okay, you'll make it" whatever!!

It's like why did I do all the right things if in the end, I go unnoticed, noone will help me when I need it and the idiots of the world, get tv shows and record deals for being stupid or pretty.

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Thu, 01-28-2010 - 10:56pm

I work at a private school, and one of the reasons that I'm ready to leave is discipline. I've been told for 2 years now by my principal not to give out any punishments at all because it 'makes the kids feel bad' (Duh! - that's the point!) I'm a pretty positive teacher and give plenty of rewards and positive feedback, but sometimes some kids just don't get it and need a punishment to get their head on straight and know the boundaries. Unfortunately, too many of our parents are complaining that Johnny got into trouble and that I must hate him, when I really like the kid, but he is disrupting the entire class! Yes, he is the only one being punished because he is the only one misbehaving!

I think that insubordination should definitely be on the list of "things that get you into really big trouble." I'm sorry you had to deal with that.

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Fri, 01-29-2010 - 11:26am

The first line of your post was "I work in a private school" All you needed to say. Private schools that I know of never like for you to discipline students too sternly. They don't like to lose the tuition money. I worked at a private school and had a parent and child that threatened to kill me cause her son was so disruptive in my class. Verbally said this to me everyday, on the regular. And when I told the admins, "oh you're taking it too seriously" I left that school.

So I'm sorry you're going through this. I hope it gets better, but your experience sounds about right to me. Based on my on experiences.

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