NYT Article: Teachers Wonder, Why the Scorn?

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NYT Article: Teachers Wonder, Why the Scorn?
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Thu, 03-03-2011 - 12:45pm

Did any of you happen to read this article from the New York Times yesterday?

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Registered: 12-04-2000
Thu, 03-03-2011 - 4:02pm

I was just going to post that link! There are also some links to research and surveys that I've been collecting and it seems like the the surveys are supporting teachers rights to bargain for pay benefits and working conditions.

Sherry
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Thu, 03-03-2011 - 10:32pm

I don't really understand the scorn against teachers. Teachers are expected to do more and more with less. Where did this negativity toward teachers come from? Teachers have become the scapegoats for society's ills. It is really just terrible. I believe this negativity stems from politicians and the media. And some people probably are envious that teachers have summers off.

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Thu, 03-03-2011 - 11:22pm

I read that article today too. It really is a shame. Teachers are becoming scapegoats. I think it makes people feel like they can control some of the way their taxes are spent by going after teachers' salaries even though, in most places they really don't make that much.

I lived most of my life in NY although now I live in CT and dh still works in a NY school district. The governor there wants to cap superintendent salaries. Teachers who work outside of NYC make a very good salary but, it's also very expensive to live there. Even here in CT in some districts closer to the NY border, teachers make a very good salary. In my former district, the top of the pay scale is 85k after 12 years if you have a MA. We;ve had some complaints about salaries, but nothing like in other places. I guess people realize it is expensive to live here.

My local paper is called the Republican and they're not kidding. The paper is family owned and the editor HATES teachers and all unionized workers. He's been bashing them for years. When I first moved here I subscribed to that paper, but I had to cancel it after a year or so. I just could not put up with the editorial page. They bashed teachers and unionized workers every chance they got. I finally called and canceled and told them why.

I'm still unemployed and Ihave very mixed feeling about getting another job in education. It's like walking into a minefield. If teachers keep bearing the brunt of all this hostility, how will be get new people to join the profession? Who in their right mind would want to go into this field?

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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 7:31am

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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 9:12am

I've responded to this thread three times now! The first two were gone when I hit Post. Grrrr....

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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 9:44am
I've worked in NY and CT in neither of those states is it the case where teachers don't pay into the retirement system. In NY teachers pay 3% of their salary towards their pension. In CT we pay 7% because we are not allowed to collect Social Security as it is considered double dipping in this state. I don't know of any states where teachers retire and their pension is their full salary. In Ct if you work for 37.5 years then you can receive 80% of the average of your last 3 yrs. If you work less than that, your benefit goes down accordingly. Our pension system is grossly underfuned as well since the governor has been taking money from it for years to pay for other things. Who knows if it will even be there when many teachers retire. Say it's not, then what will a CT teacher do who has never paid into the SS system? Will they wind up on the street?
I think in WI they are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. You can reform the system by making teachers pay into the retirement system, for instance. Without gutting the whole thing. But in WI the governor probably won't do that because his real motivation is union busting, not saving money.
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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 1:02pm

I used to be a teacher, and not anymore. I can honestly say there are enough bad teachers out there that they give those of us who are good teachers a bad image. Plus, then you have bad administrators, parents, etc. It is a complete system problem. I remember how I would have the same kids heckle in class and just give me the worst time until I could barely teach. But no matter how much I sent those kids out of the classroom, it did not matter. They were always back the next day, keeping me from teaching.

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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 1:05pm

I know one of those links is wrong. It is listing the average salary in my state as a number that is below the minimum salary so it is in no way the average.

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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 1:07pm

When I was growing up, if you misbehaved in school and your parents had to be called in, you would regret life for a long time coming. But these days, kids rule the school. It is really awful. The parents often seem and often ARE quite proud of their bad children. Where I grew up, if the parents had to be called in, they were going to have to beg to keep you at the school. Often, you were kicked out anyway to go to an alternative school. At the alternative school, they

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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 4:19pm

personally, I think that teachers are underpaid and underapreciated. (I'm currently in college to become one)

my favorite quote was something like this, "brain surgeons get all the pay because they fix brains, but we BUILD THEM. how cool is that?"

and i think it's very true. however, like how a good teacher can really make your life better, a bad one can kill what little self-esteem a child has developed.

I don't agree with cutting teacher's salaries, I feel that they don't get paid enough to cut salaries. (but, then again, their anual salary is muchmuch higher than my family has EVER had in a year.) Maybe they should cut the salaries of the highly-paid government people first? After all, they aren't in charge of this country's long-term future (the children).

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