Public Education is a JOKE!!

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Public Education is a JOKE!!
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Sat, 09-16-2006 - 8:30am

I just look at the system as a whole and think, wow, what a FARCE!! I mean the powers that be hoard the money, the parents lie their way through the systems and the students never have to change because their parents will always "take up" for them.....

We are constantly disrespected, poorly paid and ill treated by everyone and yet people would dare say to us "do it for the kids"......

Screw the darn kids, I can't pay my rent without sweating!! It's just one big fat joke. Things that seem to be common sense are not.....

The whole system needs to be revamped from the top down to the bottom up.....

Maybe I am an idealist. Maybe I think I know best and I really don't, I just see so much ineptness, it drives me crazy....

Maybe every school system is not bad, maybe there are some things about education that could work, if allowed, but nowadays we have become this "super-sensitive sue happy society"

Everything you say and do is so scrutinized, it sucks. Yet, you would DARE say I am not qualified. How can I ever be a high quality teacher in a piss poor system....

I liken it to cooking. Even a master chef can't make a great meal without the proper tools and fresh ingredients.....

You give a chef poor, outdated tools and spoiled food and guess what he'll make, GARBAGE!!!

It's all so sad. When I went to school, I thought I didn't get enough education and in fact I probably got more than these kids because we weren't all crazy back then or at least noone knew it yet.....

Oh well, 2 years of grad school and I am on to the adults. They may not be any better, but they are not children, well at least they don't look like children.....*lmao*

GT35

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Sat, 09-16-2006 - 6:09pm

The problems start at the very top. To begin with - it's a government institution. Since when does the government ever run anything effectively or efficiently? Our supe has appointed 4 "area directors" which basically do his job - meeting with parents and principals and fielding complaints. Each area director has their very own personal secretary. How much money do we waste just paying the salaries of 4 area directors, 4 secretaries and a supe??

I realized a long time ago that the only people who really have "the kids" in mind when they make the decisions are the ones who see them every day - the teachers, and in a good situation the admininistration at the school level. The rest of them spout platitudes about what's best for the kids, but they are mostly clueless.

You know and I know that not every kid in the system is college bound. Many of them will make great plumbers and painters and cosmetologists and cable guys some day. But do we do anything to encourage them? No, they have to meet the same standards that those who are going to Harvard some day have to meet. In our system, they have to be 16 before they can chose vocational education. HOw many do we lose when they are 13, 14, 15?? But having a vocational middle school is something we can't consider.

I've spent a lot of money so that my kids can go to a parochial school. It's not perfect, either, but it's better than the alternative. At $3,000 per kid per year, I'm on year 7 with my oldest and year 6 with my baby. Closing in on 40K. By the time they finish HS, I will have spent enough to buy a nice house, while I continue to live in one that meets my minimum standards. But it's money well spent, IMHO.

No answers. I just teach there, so my kids don't have to attend school there.

Karen

 


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Registered: 03-24-2003
Sat, 09-16-2006 - 6:35pm

There you go again, GT!

Sherry

 

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Sat, 09-16-2006 - 7:51pm

Leave to you to make me laugh......

It's not just my situation. It's my friends situation as well. Since you are in Indiana, I am sure you heard about the Detroit Teachers Strike....

They wanted them to have a 5 percent pay cut per year over the next three years, they wanted to end master's level step increases....

In other words, going from bachelor's to master's level was an automatic 10,000 jump, so that was ended and they wanted veteran teachers to pay for a portion of their health insurance and they wanted to take away the liability insurance.....

Not to mention that earlier this year, every teacher had to have a portion of their pay cut, TO GIVE THE PRINCIPALS A RAISE.......

Oh and did I mention that the teachers hadn't had a raise in three years. Not even the natural step increase that's supposed to happen.....

Then you hear on the news, "the teachers don't care about the kids" BS!! We are the only ones who care, the parents don't even care about the kids.....

Then you take where I am working. This school EXPELLED several kids last year, expelled them and guess who's back....

All of our classrooms are being over crowded because of the public school strike and I can promise now they are back open, we will lose some kids.....

We are in a run down area of Detroit, the building is old, the area is awful and yet the company that manages the school refuses to give money for improvements until enrollment is up....

Tell me something, will people go to a game if there is no stadium?? How can you expect to attract people, when you don't have the space for them.....

Build a better school and the people will come.......

Then, all the constant testing of these kids that we do. I am not against all of it. I think it is helpful in target weak areas in which students need to improve.....

But to based funding on it, will always keep certain schools at a deficit. It's ridiculous.....

The people with all the power are so busy being REACTIVE instead of PROACTIVE. It makes me sick.....

I have worked at ONE school in my eight years that I would even consider allowing any child I might of had to attend, just ONE.....

My nephews attend the school where I work. The only reason why is because my sister wants them to be where I can keep an eye on them....

She also wants someone on the inside that can tell her what's really going on......

She's not at all impressed with my school and believe me, when I go, they will go....

Sherry, I am just mad at MY PEOPLE, these are your kids. You took the time to MAKE them take the time to take care of them, but you will cuss me out if I don't let them eat chips in my classroom....

I have 32 kids and 27 books. 32 kids and 2 computers in the classroom. 32 kids and 12 of them come to school an hour late EVERYDAY.....

My folks have to get out of the "gimme" habit. The fact is, you don't deserve any better if you don't work to make things better....

Then we have state's right. Tell me why each state has it's own rules for certification. I am qualified in one state and not qualified in another.....

What exactly is the Federal Dept. Of Education for if states have the right to WRITE their own rules....RIDICULOUS.....

Then I want to be an advocate, I want to stand up and say what's right, but I have bills and at this time in my life, even without a family of my own, I just can't afford to rock the boat.....

So I have been writing anonymous letters to people at least making them aware of the situatation.....

Feeling like I have to say something but being too afraid to really come forth and say it's me......

IN THE WORDS OF BERNIE MAC, "DIS IS SOME BULLSHEET"

GT35

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Sat, 09-16-2006 - 8:36pm

Like I said, you need a change of scene. Your people and my people both do stupid stuff. Sometimes in the larger cities you feel like that's the only kind of people there are.

Sherry

 

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Sat, 09-16-2006 - 10:43pm

Wow...$10K jump?????

I just posted what our jump was...it's $400 a YEAR if you're just starting out...it's like $2K more once you get to 25 years.

But they are doing away with NBCT pay in our district..it was $5000 more per year (I think?) for the 10 years you are NBCT.

Alysha


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Sun, 09-17-2006 - 9:15am

But that's what I mean, it SUCKS IN OUR STATE, is great in your state, why is that???

Anywhoo, Michigan doesn't require the Praxis Test. I took the Michigan Test for Basic Skills and the Test for Elementary Teacher Certification, this was 10 years ago....

Maybe now the Praxis test is required, but it wasn't back then. However.....

I have decided to move to Atlanta next summer. With my professional certification, I can transfer that to a 5 year non-renewal certification in Georgia. Then I would have to make up the deficiences in order to receive a 5 year Clear Renewable certification....

Here's hoping I read that info correctly!! But I am going to apply anyway and see what they tell me.....

Either way, I need more money or a better environment. The better school districts in Detroit and the surrounding suburbs are almost never hiring because teachers don't leave those positions.....

Even the better charters aren't hiring....

My other fear is this. If I get into a better district, will I be able to cut it....

I don't know the things you all know and I haven't been exposed to all the info you have been exposed to....

I will be at a deficit too? Will I be trained?? Or will I be expected to sink or swim??

Can I really handle a better class and better conditions. All I know is low performance and low pay. I want so badly to rise to the occasion and I pray that I wlll, but will it be enough....

I don't mind being with my people, I just want them to do better. God, it could be just as good as a suburban or rural school if everyone got their heads out of their butts and did the right thing....

I want my motivation back. I want that excited, determined feeling back. I am getting a little bit of it with my new class. Have NEVER had a room full of readers,very excited about that.....

Okay, I have said enough about this....

Here's hoping I have a windfall or get some type of grant to open my own school. I would love the opportunity to see if I could in fact do it right!!

GT35

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Registered: 03-24-2003
Sun, 09-17-2006 - 9:36am

You have to believe in yourself. Look how much fun it will be when you have the ability to see some success on a regular basis. That's what keeps a lot of burned out teachers going, self-respect and awareness of the impact they have or can have

Sherry

 

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Sun, 09-17-2006 - 10:03am

I think even in the best states, some local public schools/systems are horrible. And then there are the bottom of the bottom states (like Louisiana) that does have some good systems...I'm in one of those good systems (moved here for that reason before I even had kids and long before I planned a career in public education), and there are some systems even better than us. We're still not as good as some of these awesome school systems, but considering that our state is lowest of the low....

Alysha


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Sun, 09-17-2006 - 10:30am

Um, HELLO, I lived in Chicago, ENOUGH SAID!!

Besides, if it's a viable option. I will be taking public transportation. Otherwise, I will just have to get up an hour earlier. I can adjust, again I lived in Chicago and had to give myself an hour to get to work which was only 30 minutes away from where I lived....

By the by, I was just looking through the want ads and the Savannah Georgia school district is hiring also....

Nothing wrong with applying for both. Maybe it will be a nicer fit for me....

Wish me luck and thanks Sherry. I am sure than I can adapt. I just get fed up with MY PEOPLE sometimes. It's no wonder people don't take us very seriously.....

GT35

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Registered: 07-14-2005
Sat, 09-23-2006 - 1:37pm

I'm another that is right there with ya!!!

I do know that I'm doing a good thing & that actually I'm pretty good at it - even if I'm a relative "newbie" at least in the classic classroom setting! I'm just so ready to give it up right now that this post is the perfect vent...and the thing is I've known the realities of teaching in our public school system right along, this is not news to me, or something that hit out of left field - I've just reached my limits of being expected to live up to politically incorrect, unrealistic expectations & while doing that constantly being bombarded with the idea that no matter what any of us do, it's never going to be good enuf to satisfy both the powers that be - or the parents (because in reality they just don't have a CLUE)... During which time I have spent the majority of my time & a good chunk of DH's money to get the degrees necessary to get the certification to do this.

I will probably recharge somewhere in this year (hopefully sooner rather than later) & make it to the end of the schoolyear- but right now that's not a given !!!

Sorry - for now I'll just leave it here!!! Maybe after I spend some time this weekend totally ignoring what I need to do to just finish out this last 4 days of this quarter next week by just mowing my lawn, prepping my son's room for a long-needed paint job, catching up on laundry & grocery shopping - & possibly downing a bottle of wine along the way - I'll stop feeling quite so angry & depressed about another week of dealing w/kids that just don't care, an administration that is getting the brunt of dumping more requirements on us teachers in order to meet the new accountability standards the politicians are requiring to show we have a clue, & parents that get in my face & blame me for "punishing" their kid because there's a need to discipline as required by school policy (& generally involving trying to maintain classroom management policies) for them not doing the bare minimum required of them so that the schools "can meet their quotas of grades to get their money".....etc... Right now, I'm just thru...

More another time when I'm in a better frame of mind. Hopefully that will be soon, because this feeling sucks big time !!!!!

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