Tenure?

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Tenure?
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Fri, 05-19-2006 - 9:34pm

Does tenure still exist where you are?

There is talk around the legislature to do away with tenure in our state, but it still exists as of right now. However, when I've made "tenure" comments to a couple of people recently, they said, "That still exists?"

Just wondering...

For us, tenure applies only to the individual school systems. It begins on the 1st day of the 4th year in the same school system. You cannot go to another parish (county) and keep tenure (unlike retirement & sick days, which do transfer).

Alysha


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Registered: 06-04-2003
In reply to: alygator
Sat, 05-20-2006 - 12:07am

Yep,that's exactly how it works!! However...

It's so hard to come by in some districts because of the lay-offs. And, my best friend has tenure and still received a lay-off notice and she has worked in this district for 9 years so sometimes it means nothing...

I am a charter school teacher so tenure is just a word, you can work at a school forever and still be "at will" I love it...

25 days and counting...

GT35

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Registered: 03-25-2003
In reply to: alygator
Sat, 05-20-2006 - 9:00am

Sounds like our contracts, which mean nothing. They don't hold the signer to the contract (they can resign) and they don't hold the school board to the contract (they can let you go even with a signed a contract...if a position is cut or obviously if the teacher does something illegal).

A lot of people sign their contracts in April, but resign by about late July. They usually have planned to not come back (husband relocated, another job, etc), but "just in case"..they sign them anyway. The superintendents even tell people looking for jobs to just wait until late July.

Alysha


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Registered: 08-23-1997
In reply to: alygator
Sat, 05-20-2006 - 11:00am
Tenure here in CT starts on the first day of the 5th year. It is only district specific here as well. However, if you are tenured in one district and switch districts you only have to wait 'til the first day of year 3 for tenure in the new district. You can always lose a job if your position is eliminated. I lost my last job because they eliminated an elementary librarian in the district. Even tho I was the MS librarian I had the least seniority as a librarian so I had to go. They could have given me another position in the district if I had another certification, which I do, it's in deaf ed., but the deaf ed teacher had way more years than me. The elem librarian whose position was actually eliminated had no other certification so she got to keep her job. If she had elementary cert, an elem teacher would have had to leave and she would have had to take the elem job. The following year they reinstated the position and offered it to me but there was no way I wanted to go back to a district that treated me so shabbily.
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Registered: 03-24-2003
In reply to: alygator
Sat, 05-20-2006 - 1:32pm

Our tenure law is state-wide, but operates by district. If you leave the district you leave your tenure and start over in the new one. Tenure starts when you sign your fifth contract.

Sherry

 

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Registered: 03-25-2003
In reply to: alygator
Sat, 05-20-2006 - 3:28pm

Interesting that family illness is separate from sick days. State-wide, you get 10 days per year--2 personal and 8 sick. Sick days count as family illness and I think funeral as well. Or do they "charge" you for immediate family funerals? I'm not sure. (I worked for Winn-Dixie for 5 years and they did NOT dock your pay for family funerals.)

I used 3 days this year...all personal (2 field trips and a day to go to schools), but all were counted as "sick" days. Unless you will miss more than 5 days in a row, you don't need a dr's excuse and they just count it as sick days. So, I have 7 days remaining. This year, I have 2 personal and 5 sick days left.

BUT, when they carry over for next year, they all become SICK days. So, I will start out the year with 7 + 8 sick days (15) and 2 personal days.

So, if you leave the particular district but stay within the state, all your days would be sick days. There are limits to transfer, too, but I have no idea how many. I know my 7 would come with me.

Sick days remaining after retirement is a tricky situation, though. Every school district has their limit (I've heard 20, 25, and 30 for different systems) that they will pay you for when you leave. However, at least one school district in the state (and I'm sure A LOT more) will tell you that it's a lot more than 30, but they won't tell you the exact number, that way maybe you'll hold on to your days and not try to take off every Friday for a year.

Alysha

Alysha


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Registered: 03-24-2003
In reply to: alygator
Sat, 05-20-2006 - 7:08pm

Most schools have a contract that includes 10+ sick days, 2+ personal days, 2+ family illness days, and language that spells out berevement leave. Immediate family is usually 3-5 days and others are 1 day. Maternity leave is included to meet federal law

Sherry

 

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Registered: 10-06-1997
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Tue, 05-23-2006 - 9:24pm

Does tenure still exist where you are?

Well, I am not sure what classifies as tenure - we do not have anything called "tenure" but in Washington most districts (if not all) have teachers on Provisional Contracts for the first two years - they can be let go with no cause. After that there are pretty rigorous steps you have to go through to get rid of a teacher (unless it is a RIF situation - that is by seniority). Of course, we are now pretty near the bottom of the list for teacher compensation, and per student spending. And the legislators finally reinstated the COLA raises the people voted in a few years ago, but only partially funding the raises they mandated, so budgets are being slashed across the state to pay for the raises for all staff. My district alone is taking a 4.2 million dollar cut, with more in the future. They are eliminating 27 librarians - each of the 7 that remain will serve FIVE schools....

Sigh.

Cara