Woot! 10 states get NCLB waivers!

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Woot! 10 states get NCLB waivers!
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Thu, 02-09-2012 - 12:16pm

And Colorado is one of them! I am so excited to see what this will do for education in our state!

No Child Left Behind: 10 States Receive Waivers From Education Law's Sweeping Requirements

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Thu, 02-09-2012 - 12:42pm

I have mixed feelings on the opt out but had the same for NCLB. I do think Liam has received the interventions he has to date in part because of NCLB but MA is also a progressive state when it comes to education. What worries me is with our strict education focus all kids must take and PASS a state standardized test starting in 3rd grade through high school if you fail in high school you don't graduate. Sounds great but there is HUGE gap usually tied to MONEY. Schools in poorer cities and towns have lower scores the top score are mainly from wealthier towns. We do get extra services for poor tests BUT I don't think it fairly measures the kids.

In our town we have a charter school, while they call it a lotterly, if you looked at admission states (ie what areas of the surrounding towns are kids selcted from, race, and household income) their population does not reflect that of the surrounding public schools. So these are kids from better off neighborhoods where

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Thu, 02-09-2012 - 1:00pm

WooHoo!




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Thu, 02-09-2012 - 1:12pm
liamsmom724 wrote:
So the teachers are working twice as hard to get subpar results but that doesn't mean the school is failing in my mind at least. Yah its easy to teach a kid with involved parents, try communicating home or getting assistance with school when the parents don't understand English, barely have a high school education if that or just don't care. Really does it take a rocket scientist to figure out schools where parents are educated and involved are going to have high scores???

ITA. This is DH's school!

Our DD who is in 2nd grade is ESL and has been in the US for under 3 years. She goes to a great school where there are only a handful of ESL students, so she gets a lot of attention from the ESL teacher, plus she gets speech therapy, she works one-on-one with volunteers who are trained a special reading program, etc.

DH's school is mostly ESL students, so there is no ESL teacher! The parents mostly speak Spanish, so they can't always help the kids at home like you or I would. They can't help volunteer in the school because of that and because they're working two jobs. So here DH has 5th graders who have been in the US all their lives, but my 2nd grader who has been here for under 3 years is already reading at a higher level than they are.

The problem that NCLB creates with standardized testing is that DH can't go back and start these kids on 2nd grade materials. He can't teach them the math or science basics that they really need to know as a foundation for what they're learning now, because he has to teach to the test. So the kids just get further and further behind.

Of course there are a lot of factors, funding being a huge one, but I hope that the waiver will be a good place to start making changes.

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Thu, 02-09-2012 - 1:18pm

We have parents at our school who are illiterate, in their native language, because they didn't have the luxury of being able to go to school--- BUT they no what an education can do for their kids and try their best.




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Thu, 02-09-2012 - 4:21pm
not in AL though. :(

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Thu, 02-09-2012 - 9:23pm
When do the other 40 get their waivers?

Really, this was set up for failure from the beginning. I saw a school where I used to live put on probation because they didn't make the progress they were supposed to - they had 96% of the kids on grade level! But, they needed another 2%....meanwhile, I am pretty sure that the kids with learning issues (unless they were children of families that could afford tutors and/or were influential) were shipped off to other schools in the district. Which, the other schools being mostly Hispanic, did not perform as well as the two schools closer to the upper end of the county.

I used to want to teach. I couldn't find a job. Now, I am glad I didn't. I feel for those of you who have family members teaching - teachers go in wanting to really do well and really have great ideas on how to interest kids, help kids, and then stuff like NCLB comes along and messes it all up. They have to teach on a schedule, even if the kids don't "get" it, because there is no time to review. Yeah, sounds like a plan for success - plow ahead, don't mind that ice burg!

And yes, I have to agree with what others are saying about college too. When students come out of college with $100,000 in debt for a job that pays $30,000 to start - something is wrong there. I do want plumbers, electricians and car repair people who know what they are doing. Vocational classes used to be big in the high schools, now they have sold off all the equipment and got computers that are probably outdated.

Now, what is going to happen with the plan of the President's for all kids to stay in school until 18? How much will our states be spending on truant officers? How about the classes that have kids ruining it for the ones who want to learn? Will they allow kids to take classes at the community college before 18? Some kids I have known, dropped out of high school and went directly to college just to be where people were there because the WANTED to learn, not because they were doing time until release - I mean, graduation. (Which is how it feels to some teens.)
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Fri, 02-10-2012 - 7:13am

I work in the student loan industry I see people with loan balances bigger then my mortgage its scary and schools are up front with the reality of loans. They are starting to because government is coming down on them but the worst offenders are the for profit trade schools so that worries me. One plan I have heard is for community colleges to offer more voke ed (think thats a MA thing) which is great in comparison to the over priced options they have now BUT my fear is it will lead to more cuts in voke ed in high school. My high school had a voke still does. My dad was a grad and he ran a sucessful auto shop for close to 40 years AND paid 100% my college out of pocket. Most of his friends are voke grads, my DH is and my BIL. There is absolutly nothing wrong with learning a trade and if you can learn it in high school all the better. Now where we live now they cut shop classes they want all high school kids to be college bound. Now we do have a regional voke option or we can always use my parents address if either kid goes that way, but my neighbor ironically her DH was the shop teacher at our local high school, her oldest wanted to go to the voke she said no sent to a local college prep catholic school he hated it, transfered to reqular public high school graduated never went to college spent a few years working and now paying $20k for a vocational school...HELLLO it was free in high school!!!

Now my DH graduated at 17, Liam will most likely too unless he repeats, how will that work under the presidents plan ;0 DH joined the army, well he didn't know his parents could have signed at 17 so he had to wait 5 months and no those weren't productive months but I knew many kids who didn't want to be in school and forcing them doesn't help and it can distract other kids. We did have an alternative high school were many of them ended up but with decreasing budgets doubt school districts could support 2 high schools. I'm suprised my home town still has a regular high school, voke and alternative and they are all public.

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Fri, 02-10-2012 - 12:11pm
Your district sounds great! Another option for kids is Job Corp - I think they accept starting age 16, up to 25. Kids need to stay on campus, no drugs or alcohol. Will help kids get HS diploma if they don't have it. Then they do job training, and they have like 100 options. Kids do not pay, they do get medical insurance, room and board, and a small stipend. They come out after 2 years of training with no debt, and can get into welding jobs, electrical, plumbing, car repair, cooking.....lots more.

If any of my kids want to go the route of voc ed, I hope they take advantage of this. I don't think that where we currently are the is any vocational classes. All STEM stuff and geared toward higher education. Which is good, but that is not, and will never be, the track of every single kid.
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Fri, 02-10-2012 - 12:29pm

In my hometown the vocation school is part of high school, you go tradional high school or the voke. Drop outs or flunkers are referred to the alternative school but its mostly a party. Just a way to keep them in school longer really doesn't prepare them for the real world or at least when I was in school . Not sure how many towns still have an actual voke attached to high school but at least my high school voke is limited. At time I was in school its was mostly male oriented shops and hair dressing. We have 2 great regional vocational schools in the area so what happens if you want to study a trade not offered at the high school the district had to pay for you to go to the regional, so they were lossing students and added a earlier child care and a culunary. But the regional schools offer not only things like plumbing and electrical but also dental and medical assisting. Even if you want to college if you know your financial means are limitted get the training in high school and you can go part time and get a job after school. One of the schools even has a landscap arts and a argicultural speciality. because our town does not have the vocational in the high school we can go to our regional voke for free. If the other one has a field you want to study you can apply, you get seated after all district kids are placed but they do not have to offer transportation. The other downside is you can apply even to your regional but they can only take so many kids per trade per town.

But my fear is our govenor wants to included vocation training in community colleges so I fear people wont want tax dollars to go to both high school and college voke training and with college being tuition based they try to cut high school funding for voke training to save and make money and that whole every kid go to college mentality..

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