Totally unrelated question for you smart ladies

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Wed, 02-29-2012 - 3:48pm
Okay, I apologize up front but you guys are pretty smart so I am using you as my go to group for a totally unrelated question. It is also a potentially highly charged question so I apologize for that as well and I hope you can just state the facts as you know them without resorting to ugly rhetoric. I will start by saying that I am not a birther and it had never even dawned on me that Obama was born anywhere except Hawaii. So my question is - can anyone explain to me the source of the original allegation against Obama? In other words, why did anyone believe that he was born in another country to begin with? I just don't know where this is coming from since I don't remember similar allegations against other presidents and all were born much closer to the boarder with a foreign country than Obama was. Was there some sighting of his mom in another country when she was 9 months pregnant? Did she or someone else write something that would lead people to believe that she gave birth elsewhere? I am really not trying to be provocative, I am just trying to understand how this whole thing started and I don't want to go to a politics board, because I am sure that will just result in a huge number of angry, ugly comments that don't answer my question. Thanks in advance. Robin

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Wed, 02-29-2012 - 4:26pm
Let me explain. I just read an article about a Sheriff in AZ who is holding a news conference on his investigation into the matter so I got me thinking about this again. Robin
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Wed, 02-29-2012 - 5:36pm

Move over and I'll join you on the 'scratching my head' couch. I have no idea why some think he was born in another country. Possibly because there are some still bigoted enough that they'd grasp at straws to try to figure out a way why he couldn't really be president. Possibly because his last name sounds somewhat 'foreign'. These are just stabs in the dark. As I said - I have no idea. Guess I'm not one of the smart ones :smileyvery-happy:

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Wed, 02-29-2012 - 6:09pm
LOL - okay so I am not alone. I like to try to keep an opened mind and I figure there is sometimes a kernel of truth in even the craziest allegations, but I have never heard anyone explain what the kernel is in this case. It seems a lot like the crazies that claimed George W. Bush was behind 9-11. Well I guess not exactly, because I think their crazy logic was that Bush wanted a reason to go to war with Iraq. But still I am not a Bush supporter, but to accuse him of doing such a thing is beyond sickening. And I watch MSNBC and listen to NPR (those hotbeds of liberal thinking) and I never heard anyone on those stations promote the crazy Bush/9-11 conspiracy theory, but this birther thing seems to have a life of its own. So my question still is what gave it life in the first place. Robin
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Wed, 02-29-2012 - 6:48pm

There are always crazies out there and I have no idea how all of the birth place speculation started with Obama, but here's my guess.

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Wed, 02-29-2012 - 7:33pm

I think that maybe it's because his father was foreign (from Kenya) and then after his dad split from his mom & she remarried, they lived in Indonesia--that's probably also why people think he's not a Christian (even though he went to a Christian church for years) because Indonesia is a Muslim country.

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Wed, 02-29-2012 - 10:50pm
I just thought of something - isn't the requirement that someone must be a natural born citizen, not that they must be born on US soil? Go with me here - if my son is stationed at an army base in Germany, he is married and his wife gives birth to a child in a nearby German hospital, that child is still considered a natural born US citizen because at least one parent is a US citizen. So it really doesn't matter WHERE Obama was born, just that his mother is an american citizen, right?
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Wed, 02-29-2012 - 11:34pm
Wow, thank you so much for providing a voice of reason. I could not agree more. In my case I do not agree with a lot of the policies of George Bush, but I do believe that he is a good, decent man that always did what he truley believed was best for our country. As for Obama, I voted for him but I have disagreed with a lot of his policies since he has been in office.
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Thu, 03-01-2012 - 11:48am

A child of American parents, born in a foreign country, will also have the citizenship of the country of their birth. I am sure there is a special "caveat" for children of service men and embassy staff but for the average person, that is how it works.

Countries vary in their citizenship rules,of course, but generally, there is a difference between a natural citizen and citizen by inheritance. For example, say an American couple are temporarily living in Canada. They have a child. That child automatically has Canadian citizenship by birth and acquired American citizen, by inheritance/descent, He would be a natural born Canadian and also an American citizenship.

The parents return to the US. Unless the child denounces one of his citizenships (which is not required), he can work in either country with no problems and can have both a CDN and US Passport. He does,however, have to fill both US and CDN income tax returns each year. Our countries allow dual citizenships with certain countries; others do not. Some countries have "second generation" laws to stop the inheritance of citizenship by grandchildren. For example, in Canada and in GB, if that child never move back to Canada, his children cannot claim Canadian citizen by inheritance.

So, if your president was born outside of the US (and, from what I have read that is NOT the case), he would not be a natural born American but an American,by inheritance. He would not have required a Visa for entering into the US because he would have acquired his American citizenship from his mother.

However, your president was born in the US so he is a natural-born American. Any other citizenship he may have had was via inheritance/descent.

Your president had,when he was a child, dual citizenship via his father. Kenya was a British Protectorate so, when he was born, he had inherited British Citizenship from his father. When Kenya earned its independence, his father became a citizen of Kenya (all Kenyas lost their British Citizenships) and hence, so would have your president. But Kenya does not allow dual citizenships. At age 21, according to the laws of Kenya, you have to choose and you have 2 years to decide. So, on Aug 4, 1984, your President's Kenyan Citizenship by inheritance expired.

He is left with his primary citizenship, the country of his birth-the US

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Thu, 03-01-2012 - 12:21pm

Altho the Constitution states that "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President", the Constitution NEGLECTED to DEFINE "natural-born citizen".

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Sat, 03-03-2012 - 9:04pm

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ITA, except I'd change your "possibly" to "only", Pam!

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