3 grade levels behind and school in denial

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3 grade levels behind and school in denial
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Sat, 03-16-2013 - 8:11am

So my neice has had a tough life to say the least. Long back story, depressed mom, deadbeat dad, angry ex step dad, spent 2 years in homeless shelter, also lived with her 2 brothers and mom in nana's 2 bedroom condo. All things that SHOULD raise flags. School know when they were in the shelter, there is extra funding for teaching homeless kids. Well would LOVE to know WHERE that money was spent.

Since the begining with all my sisters faults she did question neice progress. And she was up front asked when she didn't understand the math homework she would get what services were aviable and the response oh she is doing fine. My mom asked too. They just knew things didn't add up but year after year she passed to next grade and everytime they would ask "oh she is such a joy" Well 6th grade comes new school first quarter and she is failing 2 subjects in danger in 2 more. So the school does sort of like an IEP meeting for all kids. Its not about special ed but they get all the kids teachers and have like a team meeting with the parents. Like a parent night but all the teachers are in one place. So sister has a case worker and she comes with her since they had already gotten the first report card and still in failing 2 subjects close in 2 others the school was refusing there could be SOMETHING going on. The case worker basically refused to leave until they agreed to test her and guess what she is at 3rd grade level in just about everything.

The lady who did the testing has been great even offering to tutor at no cost at home. The superintendant also happens to live in my mom's building and we have known his since I was kid. My mom hates going to him but decided he needs to know. She wasn't complaining whats done is done we can't go back have to go foward BUT he needs to know this happened because there are probably more kids and he was livid to hear and upset they didn't go to him earlier and he is getting the ball rolling for more intervention for her. She is in a title 1 school now (wasn't before) so we are hoping they can get her more services at the cities expense. She is in total denial but more moodier then ever she told school councler its ok she is used to be forgotten (Oh God that one hit aunty guilt...i had my own kids did less with her but not earler sister got married at that time so while DH and I used to take her to his family holiday functions she had a new family at the time but aunty guilt and all did I do enough after sister divorced him). They all do family counceling and now they want her to get a more in debt evaluation. And of course sister feels guilty.

Guess she is a prime example that NCLB isn't working and our state constantly BRAGS about education!!

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Mon, 04-01-2013 - 9:11am
The wonderful thing about special ed is smaller class size. There are a lot of cuts at the school my 8th grader is at and the only small classes are resource room a couple days a week now and I've been disappointed. I hope your niece does well, Embrace any change that can help her learn better. I hope things turn out ok.

 

 

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Tue, 03-19-2013 - 8:47pm

didn't see my mom tonight so didn't get the paperwork. But they have talked to superintendent and sounds like more testing or intervention maybe coming. He did say give it a few days at least, plus its the week of state testing and we had yet another snow day today. I think the smaller class size will do her a world of good on so many levels. Of course acedemcially they work more one or one with less kids but she told the school pychologist, its ok I am used to being forgotten. Well maybe if she has teacher in her corner working with her more indivually that will help with that feeling of being left behind by everyone...

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I hope your niece gets help both in and out of school.  YOu are right, the school should have done something earlier than now, that's what sped is for, to test students who are falling behind.  Whether she qualifies or not they should have checked it out earlier than 6th grade.  She might qualify under the Emotional category, with all she has been through.  Even if she is found to have a learnng disability, there should be discussion in the eligibility meeting wither it's more appropriate for her eligibility to be that or emotional disturbance.

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I wouldn't Jam, but you said this:  "School can't really say we need to test you for special ed but ..."

Teachers do refer students for special ed testing in my school district every year, I think each of my schools does at least 10+ new referalls every year and 90% of them are at the teacher's referral not the parent.  Yes I read that some schools are reluctact to refer students to special ed due to funding.  However you made it sound like they are not allowed to ever--no schools are allowed to, like it is a law? IDEA doesn't support that and schools get federal funding for sped students.  Also I don't think you are going to read on internet support boards about parents who didn't have to push for services, I think you will more read about parents who had issues with the school and the sped or gettnig referrad at all and eductated themselves about the process etc. It is true that schools can't tell parents to get their kid diagnosed by a doctor--(and still some teachers will still hint or tell parents directly to do that).

I'm not trying to misread your posts, I am reading what you write.

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Tue, 03-19-2013 - 8:35am

Don't misread my posts cantbewrong, Teachers do intervene and they offer up strategies for kids with all kinds of needs too, But I beg to differ that a teacher will offer up spending for special ed testing unless the request comes from a parent albeit hints or red flags. Please do respect school experiences outside just your own.

 

 

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Tue, 03-19-2013 - 7:54am
That school stinks and I'd take the concerns beyond just the school itself, Go to school board, the superintendent or the state department of ed.. Family counseling is good, Some counselors have specific credentials related to intervention and special education too, Get advocates on your side! So where do things stand? She's still young enough to turn things around.

 

 

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Tue, 03-19-2013 - 7:29am

I don't know if they are done testing yet. Sister has a 12 page report she made a copy for me to read but I don't have it yet. The thing is she asked for YEARS. Hey she seems behind, is she doing ok. year after year teacher after teacher and she got the same. Oh she is fine such a joy. She learned to get by on personality. She would help teachers, she always sat in front. Now they lived in a shelter for 2 years, school knew this, my sister would ask frequently to make sure she was ok in school socially and acedemically and again she got waived off, oh she is doing just fine. They don't grade a,b,c so she would get making progress or needs improvement but never any clear what could be done. And they asked and asked. We have this state test that they make a HUGE deal of. She barely passed some sections and got warnings in others but still their what can we do were never answered. Its not like she didn't want to address it but it was like talking to a wall. And they did this because my sister had issues that back then school didn't deal with unless they were MAJOR.

She is also depressed, its not just the school but that can't be helping. They do have family counseling and individual and now they are sending her for more indept. Thats not from school. Sister is doing that on own and told not to tell school. The only expectation of the school was to have at least said, she is not up to par with class. There are programs, they aren't a title 1 school, it was never on them to pay for any of it BUT point it out. I mean come one can you not tell a kid doesn't know their times tables or is not reading at grade level??? My parents would have paid for any tutoring but they needed to know WHERE the issues were.

What I did get from my mom was they want her in small classes for most subjects. Not sure if that is considered their special ed or part of it.

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jamblessedthree wrote:
<p>School can't really say we need to test you for special ed but they can drop hints and I'm suprised they waited until 6th grade!  I truly think that a lot of problems in schools, general isn't the number of kids in special ed but the number of families that skirt around the issue, Heaven forbid MY kid be classified learning disabled or dumb so they just keep chucking along and hope kid catches up.  I'm sorry your family is going through this! </p>

No that is completely untrue.  It is the school's obligation to identify students who are several grades behind and get them the help and interventions needed, then to recommend students for testing for sped if those interventions do not help enough.  The only testing schools cannot recommend to parents (but may drop hints about I imagine) is medical testing done outside school for medical diiagnoses like ADHD or other medical conditions that would effect learning. 

It is really a shame about your niece, the school really did fail her.  Has she qualified for special ed yet, or is it in the testing phase still?

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
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Mon, 03-18-2013 - 10:51am

School can't really say we need to test you for special ed but they can drop hints and I'm suprised they waited until 6th grade!  I truly think that a lot of problems in schools, general isn't the number of kids in special ed but the number of families that skirt around the issue, Heaven forbid MY kid be classified learning disabled or dumb so they just keep chucking along and hope kid catches up.  I'm sorry your family is going through this!