Rick Santorum

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Sun, 02-26-2012 - 3:59pm

Don't get me wrong- I won't vote for this guy, and I think his campaign is giving those of us who consider ourselves pious a bad name.

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Mon, 02-27-2012 - 12:44pm

My dad, DH and BIL all went to a vocational high school. My dad had an auto repair business for over 35 years, he put me 100% through college and grad school NO FINANCIAL AID AND NO LOANS. I am a big fan of vocational education. Especially in high school. No not everyone is college material and do you really want them going into debt to find this out. I work in the student loan industry I see the other side of it, even those who are "college" material are struggle to repay so imagine someone who tried it and didn't hack it make out. Then they end up at trade school and those for profit schools are the WORSE. Way over priced don't really explain whats going on and you end up THOUSANDS of dollars in debt for something you could have learned in high school.

We have vocational options for high school here in 2 regional schools with great reputations and I have NO problem with either kid going there. Just because you go to a voke you still get a high school diploma you can still go to college but you have trade too. You still take core classes but electives are your trade. My fear here is our govenor wants community colleges to add more vocational degrees so I worry they will make cuts to the high school vokes so they can charge kids to learn trades at the community colleges.

That said doesn't change my mind on him. He also thinks I should forgo my BC have a gazillon kids lose my home because lets be honest I can barely afford the 2 I planned

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Mon, 02-27-2012 - 2:50pm

My two cents... While I don't think there is anything wrong with voctional training/trade school/trade occupations general I do not like when this is thrown at or encouraged to SPED students only, And that's the tone I am already starting to hear in school settings, My kid is in the 7th grade. She has big dreams and I certainly don't want to discourage her from reaching for the sky, And I feel that way about ALL kids too, unless a child is terribly handicapped I think all kids should be treated equal there.....

 

 

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Tue, 02-28-2012 - 8:04pm
I think that SPED students should be encouraged to do anything they want to do. Nathaniel's great aunt is dyslexic and went to college. She has a degree to teach Secondary/Middle school and is an awesome teacher. That being said he has an uncle who is also dyslexic and he is a plumber.
I have never been a person to say 'my son has to go to college.' There is no shame in a job well done and as long as you work hard, support your family and believe in yourself....well that is all I ask.

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Thu, 03-01-2012 - 11:08am
I don't know much about vocational classes at the high school, Are they transferrable as college electives if child wants to go to college?

I never understood Santorum's remark to Obama about being a snob but he's said some pretty amazing things on the campaign trail so that shouldn't surprise me, Lol...... I think having the means to go to college plays a big role in getting to go to college, And I don't think that should be an easy hand out from the government insofar as loans or grants so if that's what he was attacking Obama on then I agree with him..... Having said that, I think the potential for college should not be limited to those in college prepatory classes, My child has been on an IEP since kinder and if this follows her through high school she can carry it in college too. Colleges are expected to make accomodations for students who need them.

 

 

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Thu, 03-01-2012 - 12:46pm

They are accrediated high school so kids can still apply for college as for the classes counting as electives in college here the only classes I have ever heard of taken in high school counting for college is advanced AP courses and even that is not likely unless taken at a college.

As for IEP in colleges its not that same. there are some protections under law but its different in college but there techincally no IEP in college. Colleges are required to proved reasonable accomidations to students with documented needs but unlike in k-12 there is no guarenteed right for education for all just that you cannot discriminate based on a documented disability. Other major difference is the parents roll in college is non existant unless you have written consent of student. By college they are 18 or soonn to be and once 18, even in high schools the kid is an adult and has rights under privacy laws. That classification as an adult also puts the burden on the student to request the service from the school. Obvously some school are more adaptive to others and as parents we need to keep in mind our kids educational issues when the college search starts. There is a college in VT that advertises they are ADHD friendly as well as other learning disabilities. Course it comes at a cost but the other thing to remember to is eventually they will be in the real world and employers too will only be require to not discriminate based on a disability

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Thu, 03-01-2012 - 2:16pm
I feel that vocational should be available (and even pushed) to all kids. Sorry, having a debt right out of college the size of or larger than a house mortgage is not right. But yes, it did make me angry to hear a mom tell how her 10th grader did a profile thing at school and he came up as being a security guard when he actually has very good skills to be a counselor or such. (The security guard thing made him feel totally depressed that he felt he could not do more than that and had no interest in it anyhow.) My kids, if they want to learn a trade, I am all for it. Plumber and electricians make good money. But the key is, I think, doing what you are interested in doing, not doing it because someone says that is all you can do. If you really want to...many people find a way.
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Thu, 03-01-2012 - 2:57pm

Speaking in generalities here (meaning this applies to no specific child, including your own), there is one very frustrating job of a special education teacher at the HS level.

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Thu, 03-01-2012 - 4:05pm

Actually what Santorum said was that Obama said that every child should go to college.

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
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Thu, 03-01-2012 - 4:40pm

Lil Miss,

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Fri, 03-02-2012 - 5:35am

Thanks, And AP was what came to mind when I read vocational courses in HS.....

When I say my kid can expect accomodations in college I'm not saying she can just hand over her IEP and say, Here. Help me reach these goals (although

 

 

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