State Testing WDYT

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State Testing WDYT
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Fri, 01-11-2013 - 12:26pm

Would you/can you request your child not take these tests?  I have a friend who told me it is totally legal to request your child opt out of testing and I never really thought about it until she brought it up.  Do state tests really count towards individual progress and promotion or are they really just a school thing, A way to measure the school against other schools and for state purposes?  My friend is a school teacher and I trust her knowledge on the subject, Her own children are on IEPs but I am skeptical too, I mean test scores do matter and are we instilling in our kids that your handicap can excuse you from standards and expectations if we fight against school norms like this? 

Thoughts?  Thanks! 

 

 

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Thu, 01-24-2013 - 7:30am

cantbewrong, Don't take my posts out of context - it was a generality in response to a generality.  I miss your contributions on the debate boards and I hope you're doing well. 

 

 

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Wed, 01-23-2013 - 6:38pm

To Jamblessedthree

I did not take your post out of proportion and I did not mean any offense. I was responding to this (that you posted):

"but if there's one thing that gets parents riled up it is that we should sit back and let schools play on vulnerability, Yes, I've heard that the kind of parents a special ed team likes are the ignorant and vulnerable ones..."

If it was offensive to say that your post was confusing and that I don't think all IEP teams like ignorant and vulnerable teachers, than I apologise to you.  You could explain to me what is offensive about that too...but you never post to me. As I also clarified, I never meant that there are not sped teams all over the place that are bad and probably do prefer an ignorant vulnerable parent.

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Wed, 01-23-2013 - 6:29pm

To Liamsmom724

I don't even know if you were posting to me or Jam, it's really really hard to tell in this format.  I was only responding to Jam's statement here:

"l but if there's one thing that gets parents riled up it is that we should sit back and let schools play on vulnerability, Yes, I've heard that the kind of parents a special ed team likes are the ignorant and vulnerable ones..."

I never meant to say that school districts all over the country don't try to screw with parents.  I hear a lot of things from parents especially on a board like this, where you hear from different parts of the country.  I know there is a lot of crap that goes on.  I just thought it was a broad statement that Jam was making that sped teams like ignorant, vulnerable parents.  Of course, maybe that's not what Jam meant, but her posts are very hard to decipher the meaning.  

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Wed, 01-23-2013 - 1:53pm
A lot of sped services got cut out at our school, We were used to gen ed classroom aide support for our DD too but last year we agreed to replace that with resource room b/c of all the staff cuts the district had to make, There's a lot about that which has raised red flags and has been called illegal too but what do you do, Demand that your kid have an aide? That's a tough one to fight for unless your child is seriously handicapped.. cantbewrong's post took what I said out of proportion and it was offensive, I have no disrespect for teachers and you're right, There are good/bad/very good and very bad teachers, It comes down to personal experiences a lot. This thread has taken a lot of turns, Ha!

 

 

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Wed, 01-23-2013 - 12:38pm

No one said school should or can but the reality is they do. yes there are good and bad but even the best teacher sometimes HAS to follow what they are told. My SIL school to save money doesn't have a speech path, its a Jr high when a kid moves on they simply deny the service stating they don't have one. No parent has yet to question. yes she understands it wrong its illegal, but her boss is telling her this is what they do and she has her own 2 kids to think of, She NEEDs her job.

My sister had a different battle with Jr high, they were refusing to test her DD. Stated if it wasn't done in elementary school thats NOT their problem and only reason they are testing is sister brought her DD theropst who pretty much refused to leave the school until they agreed to test.

It happens its, didn't say they all do but some do and even if they do it its not what they want to do. Many schools are faced with tight tight budgets. We have a great team at DS school and I am very lucky but the comment was raised about how parents can educate themselves and that example was raised to show that not every parent has the know abouts to do so.

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Tue, 01-22-2013 - 5:10pm

Our district will get interpreters for sped meetings if we know the parent speaks no or little english.  They have to be fluent in the language but also get sped training so that they can explain things if needed.  I have no idea about our state tests and if they have other languages, never thought to ask. 

OUr district just adopted the state standards this year also.

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Tue, 01-22-2013 - 5:04pm

I'm not even sure what you are saying about parents and testing and bypassing sped students--not sure if you think it's a good or bad thing or who might be doing this etc.  

Who said schools should or can take advantage of parent's vulnerability?  Evidently you think someone is advocating that?  And finally the other thing that is confusing is that you would talk about an IEP team like they are all the same.  I would think that with all the schools and various teachers that you have had dealings with you know that some are good, some are bad, some are great.  To say that that's what a sped team likes (like they are all like that) is unfair to the teachers and other professionals that are trying to do their best for their students.

And finally, if you are interested, my nephew is a senior, on an IEP, and started taking his tests to graduate in 10th grade.  It was different from the previous years of annual testing because the first year they did not let him have any of his accommodations.  Apparently to see if he could pass without them and any test he didn't pass (divided in 3 subjects) he could have his accommodations the next testing period.  Not that I'm trying to say that your district might have the same thing--we are all aware here that every state is different.

“Clearly," said Arthur,"you're an idiot- but you're our kind of idiot. Come on.” 
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Tue, 01-22-2013 - 7:12am

again its a very vague comment about no exceptions to the test except for certain ESL students. Now if that means that they are always excused, or does it maybe just apply to elementary or middle school kids who maybe are new e eligable to waive it?? who knows its vague and I am guessing unless it applies to you you won't get a clear answer. Seeing as you can take your permit test in spanish here I assume they probably have it in at least spanish but different towns have different immigrant communties. For us it Asian cultures but so many different languages under that umbrella there is no way they could do the test in every one. Now there is a category for test results that messures the ESL kids so must do take it but again speculating but would assume if a kid just came over or maybe an ESL kid who is also special needs but I doubt its a forever pass. Again too they need to pass to graduate high school so not sure if that would apply to a high schooler. But all this will change anyway because we adopted the national standards so will be taking a national not state test soon.

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Mon, 01-21-2013 - 2:05pm

Why wouldn't there be translators to interpret it? Maybe the schools don't have language interpeters or they aren't areas with large populations of esl? I find that interesting and it surprises me that would excuse them from testing...... I agree with your theory about testing and I think students and teachers get worked up over them, Some parents like me do too, Lol but I just won't go as far as fighting for an exemption for my kid I guess!

 

 

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Sun, 01-20-2013 - 8:59am

Well think thats probably why if there is an opt out they aren't going to make it public if eventually your kid needs to pass it then they probably should get used to taking it. We don't switch schools until high school but I have known parents of older kids where the accomidations for the test we were greated with open arms in high school but I also get thats not always the case. My theroy now on the test is he just needs to take it and do his best. I don't stress over it because its just going to make him stress. Let the school stress. I just want him to get used to taking them so when it matters he isn't new to it.

I never said it was ok for school to pull that on parents but its a fact of life. Its sad but what do you do when the parents don't speak English. I will say our state and city is good at getting the info out in many different languages but they still have to have the resourses to find out that information. Not every house hold has the internet, believe it or not and even if they do the kids probably use it way more then parents. I just added not every parent has the capability of researching these matters on their own. We do have SPED parent counsel that try to help other parents get the resourses needed but again these parents need to know its there.

Now I will say in my research I did find there is some undisclosed exemption for certain ESL students. I don't think the test is avialable in other languages so I would guess for kids who immigrate in high school and don't have the English skills yet in place they may waive it.

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