Do alot of you use sleep aids as well...

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Do alot of you use sleep aids as well...
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Fri, 08-22-2003 - 10:23pm
My DS is now on 18mg Concerta, we tried upping it to 36mg as recomended by Dr but that was WAY too much! He was so OVER focused it was intense! Plus he was up till 3am! I politely told the Dr we weren't doing that one more night unless he was coming over!LOL!!!

But even on the 18mg he will go to bed at 8:30 and be awake until 10or 11pm, during the summer no real big deal but with school starting in two weeks I'm getting nervous! Dr said we could give him stuff to help him sleep but I'm a bit nervous about that. Don't sleep aids cause them to miss important sleep cycles and not really get as good of a night of sleep? I'll have to ask the Dr but I love your gals opinions as well!

TIA ~ Jenell

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Fri, 08-22-2003 - 10:43pm
I have had my dd on sleep aides and they do work and she is taking 36 mg of concerta but the dose doesn't seem enough for her anymore..

But by all means do talk to your doctor before deciding on what to do


hugs to you

tina

 

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Fri, 08-22-2003 - 11:16pm
Thanks Tina, another question and maybe this should be it's own post, but with the sleep aids has anyone noticed it putting their kids into such a deep sleep they have trouble waking up or my worse fear, trouble reverting back to bedwetting??? My ds is only 7. odd questions I know I'm just so nervous about sleep aids but I think we may need them.....

~Jenell

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Sat, 08-23-2003 - 12:47am
I am also having the same problem with my ds who is also 7. He starts school on tues and we had him off meds for summer (that didnt go well) he needed to gain some weight. But we also have the problem with him sleeping. He goes to bed at 9 and stays up till 12. He doesnt get up till 8 but i dont think thats enough sleep. Im afraid to give him anything else becasue i have been told that sleeping meds make them groggy and harder to wake up, and its like a comatose sleep which isnt restful. Oh yah he also is on the 18mg but we may have to up it a little..

If anyone else figures out what to do please let me know.

Chriss

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Sat, 08-23-2003 - 9:36am
Hi Jenell,

We have also had sleep issues on Concerta. But I like it well enough for other things that we have continued with it.

One thing, your doctor may not be aware that there is a 27 mg dose of Concerta. I know mine wasn't until I told him. He checked it out, and then prescribed that.

DS was outlasting me every night when we started Concerta. I really have no idea how late he was staying up. And if we gave it late in the morning - say 9:00 on a weekend, he'd be up until 2 am. That was when I finally had enough and went to WalMart and found a bottle of melatonin. The 1st night, I gave him half of a tablet. But he was groggy the next day. So from then on, I've given him 1/4 of a tablet. Seems to work fairly well. I mentioned it to the doc, and he didn't have a problem with it.

The only problem is that I don't like to give it to him every night, so by the time I notice that he's still bouncing off the walls at 10, and give him a dose, then he may still be up until 11. An inexact science, to be sure!

Good luck!

Karen

 


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Sat, 08-23-2003 - 10:47am
Hi Jenell,

My son started with Concerta 18 mg when we first tried medication. He wasn't up till 12 or 1 am but he was up till after 10 and that was not like him at all. But he only took it for a week. Every night it was later and later, so I imagine if we would have kept with it he would have been up later. We did not see great results in that week, so with that issue and the sleep issue, we discontinued the concerta and went to something else. Eventually we ended up with metadate being the med that worked for him. It is relatively the same as concerta, since it is ritalin, but it doesn't last in the system as long. About 8 hours is supposed to be the duration, but my ds has it lasting about 10 or so.

We also had sleep issues for the first time last year. He would be in bed but he would be whistling, singing, talking, calling us, banging on the wall, making noises, for hours. It was awful every night. I hated him going to bed every night with us yelling at him. I dreaded bedtime and it is supposed to be peaceful. I tried warm milk, I tried lavendar spray on his pillow, I tried reading with and too him, I tried everything. I, like you, did not want to use the medicine to help him sleep at night. I did not want him reliant on something to fall asleep and then lose the ability to do it himself. I was very leery of it. But after trying everything I could think of, I gave in and said ok. How I wish we would have done it so long before we did, though I am glad we waited, because at least I know I tried everything I could before going this route. My ds's doctor said it is not a sleeping pill. He takes clonodine. He says it relaxes him and his body or mind, so that it is not racing everywhere and not able to fall asleep. The first night I was like, OMG, why didn't I do this a long time ago. My house was so peaceful. I have never had a problem with waking him up in the morning. I usually give it to him an hour before he goes to bed and that is when he is ready for sleep. This summer he went to bed around 10 every night and he was still up by himself by 8 or so most mornings.

He has started taking staterra this week, and I have heard that it can make them drowsy, so maybe he won't have to take it anymore once he has it all in his system. I hope I have helped some. I know exactly how you feel about not wanting to have them on a sleep aid. I feel exactly the same way. But the way the dr explained it to me made me feel better about it and my house was so much more peaceful and he wasn't being yelled at every night about stopping whatever it was he was doing at that point, which was a big plus.

Good Luck,

Jen

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Sun, 08-24-2003 - 12:18am
My dd usually wakes up pretty easily. and she has been on tarazadon(s/p) and it has really helped me alot and her.. The super late nights have now stopped

hugs to you

tina

 

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Sun, 08-24-2003 - 2:13pm
Thanks everyone!!! I'm glad I'm not the only oen dreading bed time, he is very pleasant about things but persistant!!! I hate him getting upset because he knows I don't like him awake and coming out of bed. We did all teh same things you'll said, from yelling (bad day I know!) to warm milk, extra stories, singing to him, snuggling etc etc..

SO...I think I am going to ask the Dr about something for sleep, I'll go back and look and see what you all said your little one's were on. I'm also going to ask for that 27mg Concerta (thanks Karen!!)I went to the concerta.net site and in microscopic print under the logo you can see the 27mg dose, but in the Q&A's part it does not list a 27mg dose?? must be real new!

I just feel so guilty sometimes, like if I did something different he would react or be different. I know that that is not right but somedays ya just feel that way, ya know?....

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Mon, 08-25-2003 - 12:55pm
When we had my son on concerta we had a HORRIBLE time with late nights. It killed me because the dr acted like this was odd. Then when he wouldn't take it he'd fall asleep MUCH earlier. We switched to Metadate ER and it wears off earlier than the Concerta and we get him to sleep at a good time each night. My son has been off meds all summer though and falling asleep really well with all the activity/swimming etc. so I dread the start of school. I know that they get much less physical activity on school days and that is what he needs.
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Thu, 08-28-2003 - 12:20am
My son just started school 2 days ago (2nd grade) and he also just started back up on his Concerta (18mg) he seems to be doing great! We havent had a problem with sleeping or his behavior and his eating seems to be ok. I really hope that it stays like this! I love him being calmer without all the nasty side effects. I know you all feel the same way. I hope that we dont have to up his dose this year but im afraid we will have to. but so far everything is good!


-Chriss

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Sat, 08-30-2003 - 6:48am
I know all to well about sleep problems. With my son's bipolar disorder he has some strange sleep problems. At times he will fall asleep at 7:30 and sleep all night. Sometimes I wished those nights were more often, LOL. Other nights he is up until 11, wake up once or twice & be hard to wake in the AM for school, but that next night he's up until 11 again. Then we have the no sleep pattern. He will stay up all night long, and the next day! Of course I have to sleep, so usually he just plays in his room. I am a light sleeper so I can hear him when he goes in the kitchen to get something to eat, aka make a mess. Luckily those kinds of nights are only once every few months. AND, this is with meds to help with sleep. He used to take CLonidine & it would get him to sleep an hour or so after he took it. He would wake at least once a night, but would be rested in the AM. He had to wear pull ups at night because he would wet.

Now he takes Seroquel, an anti psychotic, as one of his meds 3 times a day. He is sleeping through the night, a first since I can't rememebr when. And we have him out of pull ups for the first time ever.

Talk to your sons doc & see what he recomends. I have a friend who was told to give her son Bennedryl for sleep & it works like a charm. Know someone else who uses melatonin. Some docs prescribe an anxiety med to help, my friends son just started taking atarax.

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