My 7 yr old being evaluated...

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My 7 yr old being evaluated...
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Fri, 11-20-2009 - 2:02pm

My 7 yr old has had behavior issues since he could walk and talk. He's always been a challenge, so I knew when he started school that we'd have issues.

His behavior hasn't escalated, but the school's discipline system isn't working and now that Brayden is in 2nd grade I guess they are done trying and ready to give up.
Yesterday's meeting the Princiapl told me that if Brayden gets one more red ticket (after one warning if the behavior is repeated then the child is given a pink ticket and after three pink tickets in one month the child gets a red ticket, is removed from the classroom to another class for the day until their parents come and have a meeting with them and the teacher, and principal) - next time they will just take Brayden to another school (the middle school) and put him in the ISS room all day. No lunch break (he eats lunch in there), no recess, no break, nothing. If that doesn't work, then they'll start giving him OSS (out of school suspension, kicked out of school for a day basically).

First of all, the ISS is totally unacceptable to me for my 7 yr old son. I am not agreeing to it and I hope that its within our rights to refuse that. He's an energetic 7 yr old and "locking him up" all day without an outlet to get his energy out is a recipe for disaster and it won't help. The Principal even said it wouldn't help, but that they don't know what else to try anymore.

The type of behavior my son is having is being generally disruptive- making sounds, talking, animal noises etc, and touching kids when he walks by them so that he annoys them, and sometimes using inappropriate words (whenever I ask my son what inappropriate words he said - he said its bathroom humor type language. For example last week he said he got a pink ticket for saying that it looked like the moose in a book was pooping). That is the majority of what he's doing.

So we're doing the worksheet evaluation for various behavior issues he could have.

If he comes back in the likely range for ADD/ADHD, then what next? Does anyone know? Do the school and I work on an IEP for him? Would putting him into ISS rooms be helpful for a child with ADD? I wouldn't think so.

I guess I just don't know what to expect.

Thanks!


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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 5:09pm

Hi!


My Nick, also 7, has alot of the same issues as your son.

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Christine

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Sat, 11-21-2009 - 12:13pm

Thanks so much everyone!
I've emailed the teacher, and I haven't gotten a reply yet but I did talk to her briefly yesterday when I picked the boys up from school. She said that she had read half of my email (it was a very long email haha) and so far what she had read was totally "right on" and she agreed with everything I said. So it appears that the teacher doesn't agree with the Principal either.
I know that the school psychologist/counselor told my husband that she didn't think too highly of the Principal, in so many words, as well.

My husband also suggested that we document everything, in case it comes to needing to use it.

I've got the evaluation worksheets from the Dr's office, but I know that for an actual evaluation/diagnosis we need a referral to probably a neuropsych. So we are working on the medical side of it from our end.

In the mean time, I'm gathering information and trying to cover all my bases before I schedule the meeting with the principal.

I'll keep you guys updated! Thanks so much!


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Fri, 11-20-2009 - 10:54pm

I'd recommend a quick trip to the wright's law website, look up your rights. I think you want to request not just an eval for IEP but a behavioral plan eval (BIP? I think...). Three pinks in a MONTH?

If they pull the ISS thing on you, get to whoever the special ed coordinator for your school district is, fast. And the superintendant. I honestly can't think of *ANY* issue a 7 yr old can have where removing all friends, and all recess is a good plan! ANY 7 yr old needs to be able to run, play, relax. That's not a ADHD-specific thing, though, of course, more important for ADHD! 7 yr old in a middle school, I'm speechless.

I'd also recommend, if the principal is that kind of an idiot, that you start documenting. Get a notebook, every incident, every thing you are told, put it in. Try to get things in writing from them (email, not on phone), etc. If it's a fight, I think you'll win, but so much easier to look all put-together if you start out that way. (I've never had to do this, but I know it's pretty much normal for when you think you'll be fighting the school...)

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Fri, 11-20-2009 - 3:46pm

Hi, and welcome


I would also put my foot down on the ISS thing, he is 7! and that would be unnacceptable for a child that age, especially one with ADHD. If they do follow thru I would file a complaint with the OCR, ( office of civil rights), and let them know beforehand that you will.


For an IEP, or

A child may HAVE ADHD, but it is not what they ARE. Never tell a child they ARE ADHD.

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Fri, 11-20-2009 - 3:27pm

Thank you! And I totally agree, I am definitely putting my foot down about that ISS at the middle school idea. The more I think about it the more upset I get. My son is in 2nd grade. They aren't even giving him a chance when they are willing to give up like that for a SECOND GRADER. This Principal belongs in a high school or something. I could see the big difference between the way the Principal talked and interacted with Brayden and the way his teacher did. I could tell that the Principal just doesn't like Brayden, and that's probably why he's not willing to work with him anymore.

Whatever the case, I'm calling a special meeting after the school psychologist evaluates and observes Brayden, and after we get our behavior evaluation worksheets scored and meet with Bradyen's pediatrician - and then I'm going to discuss with the Principal, teacher and school psych. the best way to work together on Brayden's behavior. I'm also going to request an IEP, that specifically states that he will NOT be given ISS at the middle school, nor will he be kicked out of school unless he does something that really warrants it. My son has the right to education, and I feel that this Principal is taking away the right by threatening to put him in a room by himself or kick him out of school...just because Brayden's behavior isn't getting better with their method of school discipline.


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Fri, 11-20-2009 - 3:03pm

First off, put your foot down on the transfer idea. NO WAY! That's ridiculous and you don't have to put up with that. Locked up all day?? NO. Call the district office right now and ask to have your son evaluated for an IEP. They have to do it.

If you do get the ADHD diagnosis, you may start working with a behavioral therapist and may also discuss the option of medications. There's another thread here with someone else in the early stages and people talk about their experiences with medications. It's worth a read, since you're just beginning, too.

Our son also had a couple of visits to the principal's office earlier this year when his medication stopped working (a bump up with the dosage and he's doing fabulous now). Our son's behavior was far worse than your son's -- he was hurting other kids by taking play to the extreme -- and there was no mention of suspensions, putting him in a room all day, transferring him anywhere. The school worked with us until we could get the prescription adjusted and continues to work with us on monitoring his behavior and collaborating on ways to help him thrive in school.

Definitely get that IEP in place right away and good luck in the diagnosis process with the doctor!

All the best,
Michelle