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Tue, 05-04-2010 - 10:54am

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Mon, 06-07-2010 - 5:36pm

Oh - I so agree with you - you were certainly better in your post than I could have been - my mouth gets the best of me


homeschooling - oh right!!! - we got in battles since 1st grade - and I was a tutor from Jr. High thru College - I got paid in college - I know how to teach - but my ADHD son - couldn't do it - it wasn't worth the battle


I so know how you feel and EVERY child is soooo different

Denise

Denise

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Mon, 05-10-2010 - 9:18am
When your child starts biting his nails....then his finger tips.....then the bottom of his hands, because he is trying to cope with his problem. YOU tell me what am I supposed to do. Let him to continue biting himself??? Leave him alone suffering when I can CLEARLY SEE he is having a problem??? Maybe you turned out ok. Maybe your case was normal and not what some of the kids here experience. I personally think a LOT more parents should be as IN TOUCH with their kids as the parents on this board are. Perhaps there would be a lot lets ugly in this world if each parent took care of their kids needs FIRST, physicly and emotionally like the moms and dads here on this board do. You seem to have had a fantastic life, how lucky for you.
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Mon, 05-10-2010 - 12:45am

I homeschool, so no teachers were telling me that my son had issues. I have known since he was very small that he was much more active than other kids. I also knew that he misses a lot of social cues, often doesn't look at people when he is talking, and is behind his peers socially by a couple of years. Honest...when he was 5 he was still doing more parallel play than playing WITH other kids. My son has speech issues, and fine motor issues. All of these issues are on the same ones that kids on the autism spectrum have. Most of the same issues that sensory processing disorder have.

So why did I have him diagnosed if we weren't going to do medication (medical or "natural"?) Because I wanted to know how to teach my son best. That is it. Schools can do some stuff, saying that there is a problem, but they don't diagnose. So, now I have an idea of what we need to do for state testing (have an aid to keep him on track.) I have an idea of what to do to teach him - keep it low pressure so he doesn't "shut down" in his thinking (many ADD/ADHD kids perform worse under pressure.) I know I have to do most of the teaching in the morning, before he tires out.

Now, do I think that the doctor was totally correct? No - my son has vision issues that add the "H" to the ADD. Vision therapy is helping a lot with that, as well as some of his reading issues. I still see the impulsive and the distraction, but it has improved a lot.

Why are we not doing medication? Because as the teacher, I can adapt to him and how he needs to function. At such time as HE thinks he may need it, that is fine. Right now, we haven't even talked about it as he is only 8. Maybe high school, we will see. Maybe in the past teachers were more adaptable in the small country schools that only had 60 kids grades 1-12. Today's schools would make Mr. Ford (of the Model T) very happy at how much like a factory they are. My son would be the cog in the gears of today's school. Constantly running the opposite direction of the other kids. Not because he is bad, but because he just can't help himself. And just so you know, we limit sugar, my kids have not had soda pop that I gave them, and we eat a pretty healthy diet by today's standards. They get lots of sleep, are on a schedule/routine and know what to expect every day. They get plenty of exercise (no Wi or other games) and get plenty of outside time. And, we have rules and consequences, that are stricter than other families I have seen, but necessary so that I can keep track of my son. (I carried a leash in my purse up until he was 6 - because he was liable to run away, get distracted behind me, or start talking with and go off with strangers. I got a lot of "looks" but my child was safe.)

Now, ask me if I think that some. perhaps many, teachers are not able to teach to active little boys, and I will say yes. My daughter's kinder class was a case example of a long time teacher who, after the three week waiting period, had 8 boys leave the class because the teacher had inappropriate expectations about sitting still. Although I benefited from Title IX, I think that teaching has gone too far towards helping girls and has forgotten about the needs of boys. If this is the angle that you are reaching for, read the book "The Trouble With Boys" by Peg Tyre. Perhaps this book will help you define what the issue really is that you are seeing.

But, keep in mind, that most of us at this board knew long before any doctor or teacher told us, that something was different with our child/ren.

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Registered: 06-10-2007
Sun, 05-09-2010 - 1:01pm
NO, I do not. There are kids with real problems, and ADHD is a REAL problem. Not everyone chooses to use meds, but this is not a debate board.

A child may HAVE ADHD, but it is not what they ARE. Never tell a child they ARE ADHD.

A child may HAVE ADHD, but it is not what they ARE. Never tell a child they ARE ADHD.

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Registered: 05-09-2010
Sun, 05-09-2010 - 1:32am

Do you guys ever feel like the people diagnosing todays children "jump the gun" a little bit when it comes to diagnosing children w/ADHD?


I feel like there is nothing wrong with a kid who loses focus and cant sit still.. I was like that as a kid and I just feel like more and more, people are turning to drugs (natural or not) to calm their kids down a little bit, just because they cant deal with the NATURAL behavior of a healthy child... Just my 2 cents


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Registered: 03-25-2003
Thu, 05-06-2010 - 9:54am

ADHD-inattentive isn't *that* hard to diagnose, you just have to make sure it's not any of the other potential causes of inattentiveness ;}. OK, seriously, my kid is ADHD-inattentive (primarily, at least!). What you are saying sounds a bunch like it to me (and I am NOT an expert!). For MY kid, it was writing we could see it in easiest. Post 1st grade, you'd ask him to write a sentence. Generally, he could think up what he wanted to write fairly easily. But writing it, oh, wow. I'd have to refocus him every word some days, the most he could do was about half a sentence. Once he started meds? Just not an issue. Oh, sure writing was still hard afterwards (nothing took away the fine-motor OT component), but at least he could succeed!

One of the things we did along with the ADHD workup was an academic workup so we could be sure that the issues we saw weren't "just" a LD. Though do be aware that ADHD kids can certainly also have LDs!

Oh, and I agree with the Cl--nothing's worked for my kid other than the traditional meds. Omegas do things for moods some, with him (sort of the fragility thing), but nothing truly helps. Even with meds, he needed help for years keeping on track, more than his peers did, at least (for writing!).

Megan
Megan
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Registered: 05-02-2004
Wed, 05-05-2010 - 11:05pm

Check out the "Healing ADHD" book for magnesium supplements amounts. Also, he recommends certain things for hyperactive and different things for inattentive, which may help you get better results.

It sounds like there is something else going on with your son with the math and all. Has he had any testing done for learning disabilities? Auditory processing and vision processing/tracking issues come to mind. From teachers I have spoken to, comprehension goes back to not having all the basics. If he seems to know all his phonics and rules, is he skipping over words or something that is causing him to understand incorrectly? If that is the case, a vision check up, which checking of tracking (moving together across the page) and convergence (focusing eyes on a close spot together) may help determine if that is or is not an issue. You can check this some by seeing if he can look at your finger tip as you move it slowly close to his nose. See if both eyes move in the same amount. If not, see if you can get diagnosed as lazy eye so insurance will pay for vision therapy.

My son skips words or does the last word first because he couldn't get his eyes to focus together. He has to concentrate so hard on focusing that he has a really hard time remembering what it is he is supposed to do. I hate to think how hard it would be for him to try to sit still and read stuff on the board while a teacher was talking. (We homeschool so it isn't too much of an issue.) I initially (when he was 3-4) thought he had auditory processing issues because it took so many repetitions to get him to "hear" me. After doing the vision therapy I am thinking that he was so hyper concentrating on seeing stuff clearly that he had no attention left to give me. Now that he doesn't work so hard to see clearly, his response time has improved greatly (unless the TV is on, LOL!)

Good luck on this - and no matter what some doctor says, trust your mom instinct. I think that is the only thing that has gotten us results - me being bullheaded and insisting that things were not as I was being told by the "experts" until I got something that has fit what I see in my son. I had to do it with the schools to get speech and OT and with the doctors to get the help we needed.

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Wed, 05-05-2010 - 2:56pm

Thank you.


Yes, I can tell with my oldest none of this work. It wasn't until my youngest got diagnosed with ADHD combined that we started reading and realizing that perhaps something is going on with him. His teacher says he is looking at her while she is talkingbut when she calls on him to see if he understood he has no idea what she just said. He is passing second grade right now but I think is because she is a good teacher and does things to keep him in check like tapping on his desk to bring him back to the world LOL and using a timer because otherwise he gets sidetracked and time is up. Plus at home when becomes to school I am always on top of him and doing extra things with him.


Other than that she says he is awesome and very respectful but she is worried that by third grade things get worse.


At home he is good. He does what needs to get done and anything I ask him to do he does without protesting. Where I see the problem at home is mainly on academic things. For example addition and substraction with regrouping. He KNOWS the rules, He knows how to solve the problem. Even word problem he know how to solve it. Yet when is time to execute it he mixes things.


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Wed, 05-05-2010 - 11:40am

Hi, and welcome


The Dose of EPA and DHA is not high enough, you may see better results with a Higher therapeutic dose. They would actually need to take

A child may HAVE ADHD, but it is not what they ARE. Never tell a child they ARE ADHD.

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Registered: 09-17-2003
Wed, 05-05-2010 - 10:44am

Jumping in this thread to ask for advice this.


What type of magnesium do you suggest? At the moment we have been doing the Fish oil and a multivitamins. I was trying to find a multivitamin that had magnesium in it but it seems hard to find.


I don't know IF is me as a parent being HOPEFUL LOL but after over a month of use, almost 2 months I "think" is working for my 6 yr old. At least taking the edge off. But I wouldn't say he is completely where I would like for him to be.


However for my older son (8yrs old) who is not diagnosed with anything but whom I suspect has ADD inatentive. I don't think this is working at all. After talking to his teacher and seen his work in class something is not right. He is not hyper or anything he seems to daydream a LOT. Even in the middle of him doing his homework. Either way his case is different and I will be addressing him soon with his ped so that we can go see the neuro for him.


So back to my concerns. I am not sure I have the right combination or the right dose or maybe I am missing something??? Any recommendations you might have are welcomed.


In addition to this I have implemented a higher protein brakfast. I TRY my best to do this daily but I will confess to giving Cherrios for brakfast from time to time LOL Lazy me. I tell myself it should be better than fuit loops LOL


Here are the ingredients of the fish oil we are using. Nordic naturals. I guess it doesnt have the amount recommended of DHA, This is the highest DHA of their children products. I might have to switch to their adult products which has like 625 mg. I'm just afraid of the taste. Mind you my kids don't like the children starwberry flavor either. They just don't like the oily texture at all. I have to put it in their juice or their yogurt which they are ok with. A chewable would be better but I wnat to make sure they get the correct amount so we can continue to do the oil and I will find ingenius way to give it to them LOL


Ingredients: purified arctic cod liver oil, d-alpha tocopherol, strawberry flavor, rosemary extract

One-Half Teaspoon Contains:
Total Omega-3s: 631 mg
EPA: 205 mg
DHA: 313 mg
Other Omega-3s: 113 mg
Vitamin A: 325–750 IU
Vitamin D: 0–10 IU
Vitamin E: 15 IU


For multivitamins they are taking Animal parade chewables.


Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 2 Chewable Animal-Shaped Tablets

Servings per Container: 90







Amount Per Serving
% Daily Value





Calories
10






Total Carbohydrate
2 g
<1%





Sugars
2 g
*





Vitamin A (as palmitate)
5000 IU
100%





Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid)
60 mg
100%





Vitamin D (Ergocalciferol)
400 IU
100%





Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopheryl acetate)
30 IU
100%





Thiamin (vitamin B-1)(as thiamine HCl)
1.5 mg
100%





Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2)
1.7 mg
100%





Niacin (as niacinamide)
20 mg
100%





Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HCl)
2 mg
100%





Folate (as Folic Acid)
10 mcg
3%





Vitamin B12 (as Cyanocobalamin)
6 mcg
100%





Biotin
50 mcg
17%





Pantothenic Acid (as Calcium Pantothenate)
10 mg
100%





Calcium (as aminoate complex)
20 mg
2%





Iron (as aminoate complex)
5 mg
28%





Iodine (from Kelp)
100 mcg
67%





Magnesium (as aminoate complex)
10 mg
3%





Zinc (as aminoate complex)
3 mg
20%





Copper (as aminoate complex)
0.05 mg
3%





Manganese (as aminoate complex)
0.05 mg
3%





Potassium (as aminoate complex)
1 mg
<1%





Pineapple Fruit
50 mg
*





Apple Fruit
50 mg
*





Sunflower Oil
20 mg
*





Lemon Bioflavonoid Complex (from Citrus Lemon fruit)
20 mg
*





PABA (para-Aminobenzoic Acid)
400 mcg
*





Choline (as bitartrate)
10 mcg
*





Inositol
10 mcg
*



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