Not good week

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Not good week
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Thu, 04-17-2003 - 4:44pm
Joiner had a wonderful week last week, only problem was he got some type of strep infection at the opposite end if his mouth. So he is taking duricef & also am applying bactroban 2% to his bottom.

The school said all this week has been hard, but that today was the worse. He was sent to the psychological education school for time out in an isolation room. He was disruptive all day, disrespectful and tore up his test papers. This is the first time they have had to do this since the plan was put in place in Jan. The special ed teacher asked if we have done anything different, all I said is that there was a full moon. I had forgotten about the antibiotic, until Joiner said that he was taking another med. So I am trying to find out if those meds for his infection cause this horrid behavior he is having. I have read somewhere that antibiotics and steriods (even creams) can effect the mood stabilizer. I feel so sorry for him. He doesn't mean to do these things, when he gets mad it's like he is on auto pilot. I think the reason he tore up the paper was out of frustration, he told me it was too hard for him to do. We have been discussing holding him back & repeating 2nd grade. Maybe home schooling would be the answer, altho I don'tkow if I can be with him 24 hours a day. I just don't know what the answer is.

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Thu, 04-17-2003 - 5:31pm
Hi Kathy,

Funnily enough, I was just reading a thread about antibiotics and mood stabilizers on the parents of very young bp kids list I'm on. I haven't had to put my son on an antibiotic since we started his mood stabilizer, but many of the women on the list say antibiotics counteract the mood stabilizer and destabilize bp'rs. I bet that's what you're seeing, and that Joiner will restabilize quickly after the antibiotic. I've heard steroids can destabilize bp'rs too; it wouldn't surprise me, because my normal younger son has to take prelone (prednisolone) occasionally, and it even makes him nutty!

Also, thanks for the welcome below! I meant to reply earlier to your question about Niels's mood stabilizer, but haven't had a chance to get back on the board lately. Niels takes 1200 mg/day of Trileptal (3x/day), and 0.025 mg Clonidine at night for sleep. The Trileptal has really helped with the mood problems, but hasn't done much for the ADHD. How do you like the Depakote/Seroquel combo? How much Depakote does Joiner take?

Hope you both feel better soon!

Melissa

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Thu, 04-17-2003 - 7:50pm
I am sorry your son is having a rough week..but my one piece of advice is don't homeschool. I am a certified teacher, and at one point had that brief thought..my own therapist said to me "Don't do that- you need your sanity"..and it's true. Our kids as much as we love them, if we are with them 24/7, i don't think that will help..hopefully after your son is done with his antibiotics, things will even out anyway.
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Thu, 04-17-2003 - 9:55pm
Sorry your week is so rough.... sounds like we both need a good stiff drink and a full body massage!!! {{HUGS}}

Angel- Tired Momma to the Tagteam of Destruction and Disaster affectionately known as Deven (6/97) and Dilen (10/99)

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Thu, 04-17-2003 - 10:01pm
Thanks for the info. Joiner took Trileptal with little effect. He takes 250 MIl in AM & 325 Mil PM of Depakote. He was one depakote for two year & stable. But all of a suddenly it stopped, so much like BPers & meds. We tried a few other combos without much success. He has been on this one for about 2 months. Still have some problems with talking & making noises along with some defiance. I did try no stimulant & it was disastrous. We tried that for almost 2 months. We are just hanging in there waiting for the summer (in a month) & may try Strattera.
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Thu, 04-17-2003 - 10:22pm
It was a fleeting moment. I know I wouldn't be able to do it. Maybe someone would come in my home & school him for me while I leave, LOL. Hey, It's a thought
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Sat, 04-19-2003 - 8:15am
Jamie does the same type of things out of frustration, more when a situation is too difficult, too much of a challange. Obviously he's not at school yet, we get that next year. I've had a rough week too, you should see my journal. I re-read it last night and it's scary. Lot's of really weird behaviour and conversations.

I've heard the same thing about antibiotics and steriods, I've never had to take them on bp meds myself. The Bipolar child has a whole chapter on what reacts with mood stabilizers. If you don't have the book, (which I'm sure you do) I can tell you which antibiotics react with whatever mood stabilizer he is taking.

I so know what you mean about being with him 24/7, that's what's putting me about around the bend right now.

Hugs

Elspeth

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Sat, 04-19-2003 - 9:18am
I forgot the book had that chapter. I will look today. Yesterday was not good at all, Joiner decided t have a slugging match with me outside the grocery store. Apparently I didn't open his chocolate milk fast enough. Well, he didn't get the milk. People were looking at us, but I ignored them. My main focus was to get Joiner in the truck & get home. Of course Joiner blames me for the incident & says I hurt him, what I actually did was hold my hand up when he punched & he hit my hand, thus hurting himself. Driving home was interesting, shoes flying, him kicking the dashboard & trying to hit me. When we got home I put him in his room, he fell asleep for a few minutes. After that he was just as nice as he could be. Strange.
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Sat, 04-19-2003 - 10:43am
You know it's quite amazing how kids do that, now that you mention it nothing is EVER Jamies fault. If he falls down it was my fault because I got in the way, If he's sad or mad it's because he's being disciplined and that would be my fault to. He tells me all the time it's MY fault.

I wonder if he even realizes what he's doing and understands the consequences. I've let up on him a little bit lately because he's so easily disturbed, and quite obviously unaware of his surroundings. We only do removing privileges and the odd time out, but we've been very consistant for months. You'd think he'd catch on, but he just doesn't. He still thinks it's his way or the highway.

Hugs

Elspeth