Very Important Legislation

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Very Important Legislation
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Thu, 08-21-2003 - 8:53am
This effort is spearheaded by a specific cult with an agenda that we have all no doubtedly heard about over the years and will have far reaching effects on our kids. Please make your views know to those that need to know.

http://www.imakenews.com/cabf/e_article000176794.cfm?x=a23Qc4n,aVpnj9

Debbie

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Registered: 07-27-2003
Thu, 08-21-2003 - 11:28am
Debbie,

I read the article and the SB and the HB. It seems that it should be illegal to require or coerce parents in to medicating their kids. But that should apply to everything! Not just "controlled substances" that are medications. I should apply to diabetes meds, aids meds, everything! It it really possible for a school to force a student to be on meds in order to attend the school? How can this be? Is this happening with the adhd meds? Maybe it is and maybe that is why these bills are necessary.

On face value I would agree with the bill. Maybe this bill would make the schools work harder to accomodate adhd kids. For example teach to their strengths, use multi-modal approaches, etc. instead of this one size fits all schooling that just does not work for the majority of kids (special needs or not). My son's kindergarten teacher said she was doing all she could with adhd accomodations. This could not possibly be true because he was not diagnosed, there were no written accomodations, he was not a 503 or IDEA kid for adhd, and she never brought the subject up with me, I brought it up the possibility of adhd to her! She then proceeded to tell me how great the meds are: her kid benifited alot from them. Then in my ds's 504 meeting (he has fine motor delays) we were speaking about the possiblity of him being adhd and they ALL spoke about how great the meds were, how if a kid REALLY has adhd the meds work wonders, etc. Well, this simply is not true. There is a large percentage of adhders who do not respond AT ALL to the stimulant meds. Anyway, maybe the schools are too fast to jump on the medication bandwagon. It makes their jobs easier. They do not have to work so hard to figure out how each child learns best.

On the other hand if, as your article suggests, the intent is to shut up the schools, this is sick! (And I personally would not be suprised that our current administration would be all for something like this and would be trying to do this in an underhanded, deceitful way.) Under IDEA, the schools are required to seek out and identify kids that may need special services. Do these bills change that? I don't think so. Schools can currently lose their funding if they do not identify special service kids. But, do schools actively seek these kids out? I'm not so sure! They probably get around it by just seeking out the OBVIOUS kids. ADHD can be subtle, especially the non-attentive type that my ds likely has, and there are so many teachers that know NOTHING about it. Teachers need to be educated. Why isn't it required that teachers stay current on special education? These teachers that went to school 25 years ago know NOTHING about mental illness. The diagnosis of mental illness has changes so dramatically! So I think the schools get away with not seeking out these kids by saying they don't know. They are not psychologists, etc. I think this is bs.



Hmmm, how does a person sort this out?

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Thu, 08-21-2003 - 1:36pm
Well I would agree with you at face value too however it is already illegal for any school personel to play doctor. No one can force anyone to take medication of any kind so it really isnt an issue. Of course there are schools (staff) that do try to coerce parents but those should be dealt with accordingly and not by trying to make something that benefits many, many kids illegal. If teachers can't even make suggestions, then we are looking at some pretty serious problems ahead. What is so terrifying about this is that it is just a beginning. There is much more on their agenda.

Debbie

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Thu, 08-21-2003 - 4:19pm
So who is this group that has an anti adhd med agenda? There is an organized group? With backing? If this is so, we have to stop them!

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Thu, 08-21-2003 - 4:39pm
The Church of Scientology. Do a quick search and you will find plenty of very scary stuff. Pay particular attention to the Citizens Commission on Human Rights. http://www.cchr.org/ You will find all kinds of crap about how ADD doesnt exist, anti medication crap and of course info about these bills and how they have been going around the country for the past few years lobbying deptartments of education for the same purpose.

Debbie

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Thu, 08-21-2003 - 9:05pm
After reading section 2 of the bill (I clicked where it said S. 1390), I really don't have a problem with it.

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Fri, 08-22-2003 - 11:40am
Like I said in a previous post, at face value it isnt a bad thing. However, it is ALREADY illegal for schools to coerce and refuse to educate a child if he/she is not medicated. There is absolutely no need for this legislation at all. If schools are not following the law now, what difference is this going to make? This is just the beginning of an effort by the Church of Scientology to make any medication for a psychiatric disorder in children illegal. They do not believe that ANY psychiatric illness is real. I am most parents of kids with severe ADD and other mental illness's know better. We live with it. This is very scary!! Go look at the website I posted above. They are very sneaky about what they do. They hide behind front organizations, they use half truths to scare people and they even picket and tourment family members attending conferences regarding mental health issues.

Debbie

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Fri, 08-22-2003 - 2:58pm
Hey Debbie! LTNS (used to be a little nutsy here ;)

Anyway - do you know more about this particular bill? Who is the cult? I'm also wondering if Lilly Pharmaceuticals is behind this. This bill picks specifically on ADHD kids and 'controlled substance' medication. Strattera is NOT controlled. So I have to wonder what brought this one on.

ALso - do you know if there has been any instances of schools denying admission to a student because they werent' medicated? I've not ever heard of that. Maybe I'm naieve.

Hugs - Kat

ps: Email is still the same klorden@juno.com

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Fri, 08-22-2003 - 3:18pm
Hey stranger, didnt recognize you with a different screen name. How have you been? The cult I was referring to is the Church of Scientology. They are targeting Ritalin only because it is the most widely used medication but dont let that fool you. Their beef is with the entire psychiatry field. Check out the links I posted above. It will most certainly get you a little pissed off (ok a lot pissed off). John Travolta's wife is one of the loudmouth celeberties out in the forefront of the issue. Along with Pricilla and Lisa Marie Presely, Andie McDowell, Kirstie Alley etc. This isnt something new, this has been going on for a long time. In fact when I was at a NAMI convention a few years back they were picketing. I am sure there have been schools that deny admission based on this but the reality of it may have been that the kids needed to go to an approved private school at the districts expense or needed to be homebound instructed or something along those lines because of behavioral issues. I dont know for sure though. Some school districts are notorious for feeling that they are above the law. Hell I live in one of those districts but even if they did refuse admission, it would never stand up in court anyway. There are laws against it already.

So how have things been with you and your family?

Debbie

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Fri, 08-22-2003 - 5:04pm
Yeah, I did some further digging after I read through the whole post. (yeesh! Somethings never change eh?). I agree that they're behind this - and Whoa - no such thing as ADHD? I sooooo wanted to fire off an email stating if it werent FOR meds I wouldn't have my son (remember his bike vs pickup truck accident several years ago?) I figured I don't need them on my case at the moment. When I get rich and famous - I'll go after that bunch of losers.

Things here are okay. Ds has settled into his special theraputic day school and starts high school there this year. The place has been a godsend. He now has to have surgery tho - there goes the fall. His sternum protrudes at the bottom. They have to fix it. ARG. It's always something. The oldest is still suffering from depression issues but is functional so they won't do anything. But that BP word keeps getting tossed about here and there.

I think about you a lot. I'd mostly left the "village" but I lurk occassionally. Holler at me in email.