News Article in the San Diego Union Trib

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News Article in the San Diego Union Trib
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Wed, 09-24-2003 - 4:03pm

I had heard of this before I saw the article.

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Wed, 09-24-2003 - 10:52pm

Um... um... um.... Speachless?

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Thu, 09-25-2003 - 10:34am
OK, after this year from H-e-double hockey sticks, I think I've read so much on Asperger's, I could disertate! But, still, I know I actually couldn't disertate well as I don't have the degrees, and years of training to go with the 411 generated by my obsession.

Why does it seem so unbelievable that a child/young adult with Asperger's would do something like this? I mean, it just does not fit, at least, with MY preconceived notions.

It just HAS to be the result of those "other" psychological disorders. Also, what ever they are, that must be one heck of a double whammy!


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Thu, 09-25-2003 - 11:47am

When I first heard the story it was a teenager with autism had murdered his GF.

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Thu, 09-25-2003 - 12:41pm
I went back and read Candes post on the Law and Order episode. Maybe this boy never was taught early on in life about a moral code.

Even after my experience with Liam's school removing consequences, I find that hard to believe! Just society in general reinforces moral codes. I mean, like school (usually), home, church, scouts, media. All that stuff.

And, when these institutions don't for some crazy reason, there seems to be a natural check and balance system that will get out of kilter that will bring the discrepancy to the forefront.

Not to be beat a dead horse, but only to reiterate my point, what happened earlier in the week with Liam's school is an example: They stopped holding him accountable for being bad, and he became quite bratty as a result. I put the kibosh on the whole thing as a parent. (As part of his checks and balance system). But now that it is over, people are coming out of the woodwork saying things like "we knew something was up, he's just not that bad of a kid normally, but here lately..." Even the notes home from the teacher telling me all the bad things he was doing written next to the A in conduct are an example of this natural checks and balance.

Still, I am inclined to think it is possible he may be misdiagnosed...

But, then there is the part were he called his mother to tell her he killed the girl. I also think about Christopher in *The Curious Incident about a Dog that Happened in the Night* In that book when Christopher goes to London, he has his pocket knife at the ready in case any stranger tries to abduct him, with the idea that he would kill the stranger. This is a fictional account, but it isn't as if Christopher is thinking he could kill the stranger, it is more along the lines that he would kill the stranger. As if to say, "the rule is, if abducted by a stranger, you kill him in self defense." There is another person in the book he rationalizes that he WOULD kill in self defense that makes my point even better, but if I told you that, it would ruin the book!

Sio


Edited 9/25/2003 1:43:36 PM ET by sio64

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Thu, 09-25-2003 - 5:02pm
Oh Gosh, sigh.

I've read your posts - and I have to offer up a different perspective. My 11 year old is pretty functional. Catch him at the right time and a stranger would not realize he is Apserger's. Yet, he has always had this funny streak in him. It's as if he doesn't understand exactly how hurt someone could actually be. Once I found him sitting on top of his brother, smashing his head like a vice with 2 hands into the ground with all his weight. He brother was barely 2 and I believe he could have killed him. When asked what in the world he was doing - he said his brother had annoyed him. On many occassions, with brother and with DH and I, the 11 y/o reaches out to grasp us in a strangling motion around our necks. He does it so much that we had to put a strict moratoreum on *any* neck face head contact. Then there was the time a girl startled him in his 2nd grade class. She made a noise while they were both sitting at their desks working on a worksheet. He turned around and stabbed his pencil into her arm! To this day, when something like this happens, DSS is completely baffled with "What?? What did I do wrong?"

This article gives me the creeps. It's one of my biggest fears.

Then again, there is the article. Gee, I don't know. I didn't realize that Aspergers was a psychological condition! I don't at all like how they say it is treated with pyschotherapy and drugs. Yes, maybe needed - but treatment is a much bigger and broader thing with those mentioned items as support.

I'm not happy at how this was presented, but do understand how it could happen. It's a very scary thing.

Jackie

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Thu, 09-25-2003 - 8:45pm
Renee, I read that article & was saddened by the whole thing. They did mention the A.S. but not the other psychological conditions. I know from what I've read that OCD, Depression & Schizophrenia can be co-morbid with AS. I fear for this since my dh's brother was schizophrenic & it didn't manifest itself till his teen yrs. I hope & pray we don't have to deal with this diagnosis in later yrs. Take Care~ MaryAnn
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Thu, 09-25-2003 - 11:30pm

Wow, your post made some good points.


On one hand it wasn't all that long ago that I found Cait sitting on Emily suffocating her. She was playing had gotten angry.

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Fri, 09-26-2003 - 4:28am

WARNING: Major personal oppinion incoming, read with caution: This post is not meant to offend anyone.


Oh my, this seems to be a rather hot topic, now doesn't it?

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Fri, 09-26-2003 - 8:13am
Candes

I totally see your point. I just have one thought on it. It is probably a stupid one, but this is too interesting for me not to bring it up!

Aspies have those earth shattering disapointments all the time. Your own dh is divorced, just like the Aspie down the street from me. He is remarried, to an NT with a PhD in Social Work and Clinical Psychology. And, when you talked about you being one of your dh's obbsesions, I thought of them. They have that type of dynamic. (It is a beutiful thing to see!) So I can rationalize that this could happen, but I agree with the first impression of your sub-sample group that it is doubtful that it would happen.

But I guess that is your point! Is it?

Sio

Stuck in the nt frame of mind!


Edited 9/26/2003 10:12:56 AM ET by sio64

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