OCD, Lining things up, ASD, What is it?

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OCD, Lining things up, ASD, What is it?
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Mon, 12-31-2007 - 1:45am

Ok I keep reading about lining things up means ASD, but doesn't it also mean OCD too?

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Mon, 12-31-2007 - 7:30am

I'm not an expert. But you can certainly have OCD without ASD. And you can have ASD without OCD.

My ASD DS has never lined anything up in his life. (However, he is starting to get what seems to me to be OCD about stimming with string.)

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Mon, 12-31-2007 - 7:33am

Well it depends on what side of the fence you are sitting on with that one. Adam has been a line up his toy kinda guy before the dx and after the dx.........but since he started getting "help" he doesn't do it hardly at all. IF he does, I calmly walk over to his toy of choice ( his cars guys right now) and I kick them......sad but true.


Old Adam would have FREAKED OUT, but my new and improved Adam is ok with it. He actually laughs at me sometimes.


Hope this helps. I say it can be an OCD issue. Since your older child got "tagged" your younger child will be under the microscope per say just to be "sure" if any "issues" could be rearing it's ugly head (praying it's not)


Love ya girl
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Tue, 01-01-2008 - 2:14am

Dave was a BIG liner dude for some time when little. He has his traits but is not a spectrum boy. My friends son, Eli, was a huge lining dude as well. Also not ASD though he flirts with some symptoms as well. He is gifted and ADHD. Highly gifted kids have some commonalities with ASD kids.

Cait was a big liner as well, mike never lined anything. It is one of those things that can be common with ASD kids but it is one small piece of the puzzle. You need to look at the whole puzzle, particularly the larger pieces of social interaction to make an ASD call. My big question is do they GET other peoples point of view? Dave can make jokes, he gets when I am mad without me having to drill in I AM MAD AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN BIG TROUBLE, he knows how to manipulate people, he gets how to please his teachers.

That is what I see as most ASD kids biggest deficits. They just don't get other people at all. Their feelings, thoughts, etc. I think I mentioned once how Mike tried to suffocate dave so he wouldnt get in trouble for potty talk. He had no idea dave would be upset about being suffocated with a pillow. He thought he was being thoughtful to keep dave out of trouble. Never dawned on him that Dave might not be able to breathe or could die from this. He has no ability to see another persons POV.

Dave however can, he just may be too impulsive at the time to stop himself but if you talk to him he gets it. That for me is the difference.

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Tue, 01-01-2008 - 4:05am

Thank you everyone for your input here.

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Tue, 01-01-2008 - 4:29am

But reading your post more renee, Nic is so much more social than Chris is.

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Tue, 01-01-2008 - 11:25am
Boy oh boy, every post I read, makes me KNOW that this is the right direction for me to be looking in.

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Tue, 01-01-2008 - 12:29pm

It isn't so much is he social verses is he not social, it is does he understand the point of view of other people. For instance, like the hitting mentioned by Rece's mommy. As they get older then can cognitively figure out much of this "Theory of Mind" and so it can show more when they are little because they can sometimes fake it some when they are older.

Mike was and still can be a very social guy but he has nearly no theory of mind. Theory of mind is the ability to understand what may be going on in another persons mind. For instance, most of us can tell by a persons demeanor and actions how they may be feeling. We also know how our behavior will affect others. Soooooo if we are mean to someone we know their feelings will be hurt. If we help someone we know they will be thankful, etc. We can tell by their reaction to our behavior what may be going on. KWIM?

A very simple theory of Mind (ToM) test is called the "Sally/Anne test". Most kids can get this around 4-5 years old but kids with ASD may struggle. Some kids with higher functioning ASD can understand the Sally/Anne test but may not be able to do higher level ToM tests.

From my recollection (which may be slightly off but the concept is the same) in the Sally/Anne test there are 2 girls, a basket, a box and a ball. Sally and anne are in a room and the ball is in the box. Sally leaves the room and Anne puts the ball in the basket. When sally comes back to the room where is she going to look for the ball? Those without ASD know Sally will look in the box because that is where Sally last saw it. she wasn't in the room when Anne moved it to the basket.

A person with ASD would likely say that Sally will look for the ball in the basket because that is where the ball is with no regard for what Sally's point of view would be.

Does that make sense? Cait and Mike can both pass the Sally/Anne test now (get it right like an NT) but only because they were taught it and simple things like that so they can figure out the word problem HOWEVER they make mistakes similar to this in every day life all the time.

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Wed, 01-02-2008 - 9:14pm

Hi Lainie,

But a child can be PDD-NOS, like Malcolm, where there are enough symptoms to say he has trouble like a child on the spectrum, but there are many areas he is not spectrum. He often is social, except when he isn't. He can read some social situations amazingly well (especially with his friends, who he knows very well) but then there are times when he SO cannot read the social situation. I just wish I could know in advance when he will and will not be able to, y'know?

And I wonder about you comparing your 2 children, when no 2 children on spectrum are very much alike! I sure am not saying Nic is not on spectrum, I couldn't know THAT, but it is unlikely he would be like his brother whether he is or isn't! None of my son's pals are like Ds. He is super unique, and the ways he is autistic are unique to him as well. Sigh.

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Wed, 01-02-2008 - 9:43pm

My liner-upperer is PDD-NOS.

                                

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Wed, 01-02-2008 - 10:02pm

Thank you Sara, I guess I was comparing them because of the traits, and frankly I have never met anyone else on the spectrum in person (except maybe my father, who died 20 yrs ago and maybe two other boys from childhood) that I could just over-see symptons ya know?

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