Vaccinations?

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Sun, 07-25-2010 - 5:41pm

I am piggy backing on my other post about the antidepressants I was on with that child.

Here is the other thing. I have 5 children. The first 4 were fully vaccinated. My dh and I never had these vaccinations as they were not even on the market when we were born. Most adults have never had the vaccinations expected of children today.

Anyway, 1st child had birth trauma. Then had ADHD and PDD-NOS. I always figured it was the birth trauma. Of course, he was speech delayed.

2nd child, speech delayed and had auditory processing disorder.

3rd speech delayed more than ay of the others. Has PDD-NOS that can look like classic autism at times, but often you cannot tell. It depends on if he is having a neltdown or not. He had NO pre-autism signs. He was way ahead in every way. Physically, he slowed down a lot after the MMR. He stopped gaining weight and might have lost some. He had no emotional or behavioral signs of ASD yet though. Then at 2 yrs old, he got a flu shot. He went down hill very quickly after. He started to have screaming meltdowns. He would just scream and scream and throw things and throw things off shelves. It was awful. He went from the happiest little boy ever, to miserable and unpredictable. He also started refusing to speak when he did not want to, like when he had anxiety and such.

4th child, mostly vaccinated. Speech delayed, no other problems. But he does not seem to be learning how to read. The only vaccination he did not have was the 4 yr MMR, but he did have the 1 yr old one. He is way ahead in math in school, about one grade level. But does not seem to be learning how to read yet. But he is only 6 so we have time.

5th child, not vaccinated hardly at all. He did get the DTP because of all the cases of whooping cough. He is almost a year old and has 6 words in his vocabulary! That is ahead actually.

I read that vaccinations have been associated with the wide range of communication disorders, which go from dyslexia to full blown Autism to what is in between (speech delays and other forms of Autism disorders).

We kept saying when we were having this baby that if he ends up being our first non speech delayed child, after 4 speech delayed children, we would blame the vaccinations. Then it ended up turning out that way, so far. I will stlll be out on this until he turns 3.

What do you think?

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Thu, 08-05-2010 - 7:20pm

It is aborted embryos, not miscarried.

And you are making a big leap claiming that it is "The Christian right's claims that ground up baby parts in vaccines cause autism are without any scientific merit."

I don't do the chicken pox or Hep A because I do not want my children injected with aborted embryos, nor do I want to be a contributer to aborting embryos. Those vaccinations did not even come out until my older children were past the ages where they recommend them. Those are not even the ones that have been suspect in being a contributing factor to ASD. That was just a side not that I do not do those shots because of the abortion issue. I happen to be prochoice, but I am prochoice and antiabortion.

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Thu, 08-05-2010 - 3:00pm

I am not on here for debate and that is why I am on a support board. But just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't do any research.

I replied to you because you were the one who did the original post. If you read my other post on your other thread about anti-depressants, I did mention that I think there is an environmental trigger. You're the one who made a statement that both anti-depressants and vaccines caused autism. Well, maybe in your case they did. But many posters, including myself, did not have this experience. As I mentioned before, they do not know what causes it yet. So unless you are God, you can't possibly know for sure what causes it either.

As far as my taking issue with your statement about aborted fetuses, I do not deny that there are cell lines from a fetus resulting from a spontaneous abortion (meaning miscarriage) back in the 1960's. So I don't know why you are morally opposed to this unless it is for the ick factor. I don't think this is a right to life issue otherwise organ transplants and blood transfusions would be morally unacceptable too. The Christian right's claims that ground up baby parts in vaccines cause autism are without any scientific merit.

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Wed, 08-04-2010 - 3:27pm

Hi there!


I know that this issue can be a sensitive one, but it is okay to discuss

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Tue, 08-03-2010 - 11:15pm

I have 2 children with the PDD-NOS DX and the older one had high fevers with the shots. I am not sure if the younger one did have high fevers. I do know that the doctor always told us to give motrin and tylenol both before the shots.

I am largely concerned because I do have a baby now and I don't want to repeat what might or might not be a contributing factor. I breastfed my 8 yr old for 2.5 yrs, and was on zoloft the entire time. I had a baby die shortly before I got pregnant with him so I was on high doses of antidepressants. My 8 yr old acts like he cannot cope with anything.

I don't know for sure what has caused anything, but I am playing it safe now regarding medications while breastfeeding and pregnant and in early childhood, that includes vaccinations.

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Tue, 08-03-2010 - 9:36pm

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Tue, 08-03-2010 - 11:38am

Of course, maybe what you REALLY meant is that you have never read the ingrediants lists on vaccinations or you read them but did not know what the words meant, but you want to start a debate over your lack of information.

The manufacturers do not deny that they use human diploid cells in 4 of the vaccinations on the market right now. This includes Chicken Pox and Hep A. I am guessing that IF you even read the ingrediants, you did not know what the word meant, so you skipped over it, and then decided you would try to pick a fight, all in the name of debate, over the ingrediants. I am not going to debate facts. If you want to go to a debate board and debate whether the manufacturers lied when they said they included diploid cells in the making of the shots or even the definition of diploid facts, or whether the sky is blue or if men have really been to the moon, or if the war in Iraq is really going on or all made up and happening in a movie studio, you go right on over and debate it. http://www.rxlist.com/varivax-drug.htm Every site that lists the ingredients of varicella shot admits it has diploid cells. Google and google all you want, you will not find anyone denying it. Then google what diploid cells are... http://www.viromed.com/services/product/wi38.htm Now, maybe you think there is sone big conspiracy theory where someone out there has hacked in to every single last website out there put out by pharmaceuticals and such to claim diploid cells are in the shots, and even reprinted all the biology books and dictionaries to change definitions of words, but, I am going to just assume that the pharmacies and information sheets given by the doctors and the pharmaceutical companies are telling the truth. Why would they claim to put aborted embryos in their shots if they did not? That would be a counter productive lie on their behalf. I am not going to a debate board because I am not interested in debating the possibility of some huge conspiracy, done by, who? Where no one benefits from the conspiracy. But I am suspecting you just did not know what those words meant, or you never bothered to read the ingredients, but you are willing to argue to the death about what is in them, even though you won't even call your local pharmacy and doctor and ask for an information sheet (available for all drugs in the USA).

Here is directly from the manufacturer website http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf




Edited 8/3/2010 12:59 pm ET by ribrit
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Tue, 08-03-2010 - 9:47am
Which information are you talking about? Many people have said they thought vaccinations can be behind the rise in autism. Why are you attacking my post only? I am not spreading lies that it is causing autism, I am asking other opinions to whether it could have contributed to their child's issues.


Edited 8/3/2010 9:49 am ET by ribrit
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Mon, 08-02-2010 - 11:38pm

"I think it is a mix of genetics and the vaccinations. I have religious reasons to not do some of the vaccinations (some are made from aborted human babies). "

Where are you getting this information from?

I personally find your spreading of this misinformation harmful and I would prefer that you go to the debate board to share in this like mindedness. I have been visiting the autism and PDD-NOS boards to get support and this link is not helpful at all!

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Mon, 08-02-2010 - 10:44pm

I have never blamed vaccines for my children being diagnosed with autism. Neither my aspie nor my autie were "normal" before their vaccines so I never saw any regressive type behaviors, etc.

However, with our now two year old I have been incredibly careful with her vaccines. We are using a modified schedule and not allowing any "multi-shot" sessions. Our reason for this is simple, we have a long family history of auto-immune issues and I do believe that the current vaccine schedule is too much, too soon and created as a "one size fits all" kind of thing. Well, that "one size" doesn't fit my family. The difference in the number of vaccines that my husband and I received, versus the ones that our children have been presented with...well, the increase is staggering. Consider, also, the increase in the use of antibiotics over the last 30 years. When we were growing up, if you got sick, you stayed home from school and your mom took care of you. In today's society, we are always looking for a quick fix. Parents either *can't* miss work, or they simply don't want to, in order to care for their sick kids. If a child gets a cough, it's off to urgent care to beg for antibiotics. We don't allow ourselves to get sick and therefore, our immune systems never learn how to fight disease, infection, etc.

My belief is that autism is caused by a complex set of factors. Genetics, environmental issues, auto-immune responses- whatever the issues may be, there is no doubt that autism is on the rise and has been for quite some time. Those of us who have been around this board for 8+ years (Candes, Paula, Dee, Renee...I know there are more of us but those are the ones that always pop into my head first) can attest to the incredible rise in the number of parents seeking answers. So while I don't believe that vaccines caused my children to have autism, I'm taking what information I know about our family's predispositions into consideration, and trying to vaccinate Lucy as carefully as possible. Vaccines are critical to our society. We need them. We just need to be more careful about how we use them.

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Fri, 07-30-2010 - 9:42am

I think it is a mix of genetics and the vaccinations. I have religious reasons to not do some of the vaccinations (some are made from aborted human babies). I recently found out I am allergic to pork, which is in the MMR. My oldest, who has PDD-NOS has an autoimmune disorder and had to be tube fed for years. Yet, they just gave him all the vaccinations. These vaccinations had animal products in them that he could not eat, yet, they were injecting him with them! I do not know which came first, the injections or the immune disorder.

My younger one with PDD-NOS reacts to food dyes. I really think he has reacted to food dyes.

To add to it, I carry 1 copy of the MTHFR gene and my dh carries one copy. I bet if checked, my 8 yr old got both. When I googled it, if you have this gene, it raises your chances of autism spectrum disorder. I think it would stand to reason that if you have 2 copies, it would really raise your chances. It involves your body not being able to rid of chemicals in your body and having immune responses. (I think, that is very simplified, but if you have 2 copies, you will likely have a hard time carrying a pregnancy, a woman would have a hard time).

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