What is normal for academics.

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What is normal for academics.
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Mon, 09-22-2003 - 12:31am
have Cait's IEP tomorrow. Got the results of lots of testing and wondering if you guys have any input on this one part.

Cait's academic achievemnt varies greatly. I know all kids have their strengths and weaknesses, but when is it a problem? For instance, there is a 3.3 year difference between Cait's overall reading scores and her overall math. Between Reading fluency and math fluency is over 5 year difference. Between her reading fluency(significantly above grade level) and writing fluency (almost grade level) is a 4 year difference. She is also noted to do ok with writing when she has a visual, but shuts down and refused to complete when the directions were all verbal.

2 of the math subsections are 1 to 1 1/2 years below grade level. I know usually they don't do RSP until they are 2 years behind, but her scores dropped from 2 years ago when she was grade appropriate.

So to me it seems like a significant problem, however, I know all kids have high and low areas so when do I address it. I am trying to decide if I fight for RSP time. THey have mentioned the possibility of assitive tech in the way of a calculator for math. I am not sure if I am ready for her to take that step yet.

Renee

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Tue, 09-23-2003 - 12:47am
I can only speak from my experience and it seems that for AS, highs and lows in academics is a classic trait. Seth can read the hard cover book of Harry Potter in a weekend and remember it completely, yet his handwriting is so bad that you can barely make it out. The school let's him use an alpha smart. For his age he knows a lot about computers, but he does average in science. His verbal skills are very high and his social skills, naturally, are low. Since Seth is eleven, soon to be twelve, and was only recently suggested to be AS (we don't even have an official diagnoses yet), I will refer to others to answer your questions on the best time to take more steps. Sorry I could not be more helpful. Good Luck.
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Tue, 09-23-2003 - 5:56am
Well, by now you've already had the meeting. I couldn't get online until way after your apt. I was going to say, push for the RSP now. With the new test results in you should be able to stress te point fairly well. And since the new specialist is in favore of the autism dx her report will only back you up. If you went to the meeting and this is what you did, great. If not, go back and push for the RSP on the grounds of the verbal discrepencies.

Do you remember when you said you were totally baffled why some of Cait's educators didn't see that there was a problem even though they were speaking of the girl who 'couldn't understand when you said "it' on the other side of the car"'? Jade is like that too. This year I am bringing in a Master Ed RSP to work with her on her verbal abstract comprehention defficites, which is what that verbal descrepency biols down to.

If, by chance, they don't agree to the RSP, then set up a program at home that you can do with her yourself. I have some info on things like that if you need it, just let me know.

I really hope everything went well at the meeting. Please don't keep us in suspense. Tell us how it went.

Peace,

Candes

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Tue, 09-23-2003 - 11:53am
It worked out rather well actually, though no direct RSP time.

For writing, Cait will be getting assistive tech in the way of being trained on a graphic organizer program. The psychologist report and the teacher both agreed that the writing difficulties came down to poor executive function and organization. So she will get DIS services from assistive tech and they will probe some different programs in the classroom. The district will purchase those programs and Cait will have access to it in the class to use (I think i can get it at home as well).

For Math, well the thought was that she was tired and stressed and didn't show her true abilities. The problem solving and applied math was good, it was the math facts and boring stuff like subtraction with regrouping that she just flat refused to do. The teacher was concerned that Cait was doing well understanding the much of the math they were doing and if she was pulled out for RSP she would miss out on that learning. I can understand that. There are some other math concerns, but for the most part in class she is doing well. The biggest concern is her inconsistency. SOme days she is top of the class and others it is like she has never done it.

So we agree that her math skills will be monitored by the RSP and will do RSP if it continues to be a persistent problem and she will have access to a calculator on those "off" days at the teachers discretion. (Another assistive tech recomendation). DOn't want to do total calculator yet because she will get lazy and forget what facts she does know.

As for other social comprehension stuff, she is actually getting a social skills group with a clinical psyche. SHe is supposed to be teaching many of those perspective taking and comprehension skills. This was a deal the district rep and I have been working on for a while. The SLP and Autism specialist will work together to get some of the social comphrehension generalized to the regular day in a couple different type of activities. . One will she will be a "tutor" reader for K-1 classrooms and will work on social skills in that context with a peer. I didn't go for more SLP cause we switched and I heard the new one is useless. I would rather see how the psyche does teaching those skills

There are lots of other modidfications and objectives, but overall it seemed to work out well. Thanks for your response. I do like it. Fortunately I am so thrilled with this years teacher and I think she really does get Caiti. She takes the time to really figure out what Cait understands and to re-explain if she needs too. So I think Cait would do well learning many of those skills in class. I like the RSP too, and if Cait ever has less than a fabulous teacher, off to RSP she goes. For now her pullout is the psyche.

One down, one to go.

A much relieved Renee who actually slept decent last night!

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Wed, 09-24-2003 - 8:52am

Ah HA! Good sleep......so that's why I didn't have anyone to play tag with last night, lol. I'm glad the meeting went well for everone concerned. It's good to hear a happy school story every once in a while, eh?


Peace,
Candes