Here's the email I was forwarded.

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Here's the email I was forwarded.
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Fri, 02-18-2005 - 12:41pm

BlankTo read this, but WARNING you WILL get offended. I still think
it is important to read so we can know how ignorant people still are
about our kids.

Pepsy

Agrees with Perot



February 10, 2005



Email to a friend Voice your opinion

First of all, let me say that I did not vote for George W. Bush
and his "No Child Left Behind" garbage.
I am not even sure if the original intent was what it has
turned into.


He said that every child was supposed to be able to read and
write by the third grade, but if you have a normal child that needs
tutoring in either of those subjects, you are not eligible under that
law until you're in the third grade.

So if your child needs help, you better get a private tutor.

The thing that has me really mad and disgusted with what is
going on in our schools is like what Ross Perot said when he was
running for president: "There is too much money being spent on
mentally and physically challenged kids, and not enough being spent
on gifted kids. The challenged kids will never contribute anything
and the gifted kids will be our future leaders."

I agree with what he said totally. The parents of these kids
are going to the schools and telling the administration that they
want these kids in school and in classes with normal kids.

Well, here we go. As if teachers do not have enough on their
plates with 20-30 students in a room. Now we have "inclusion" kids
and God knows how many aides.

No wonder our teachers have a tough time trying to teach.

This is nothing more than glorified babysitting for the parents
and an expense for property taxpayers.

These vans and drivers are paid with our tax dollars. The bus
company must be paid and what has the child learned? Nothing. Not
today or any other day.

By the way, these kids do not have to be in school. They are
there because the parent or guardian has asked that they be taken to
school. They have a free babysitter so they can do what they want for
the day.

If they work full or part time, they don't pay for child care.

Most people that work have to pay for child care and
babysitting out of their paycheck, plus travel to work.

Our tax millage keeps going up and I've just stated some of the
reasons.

There are some families that have a hard time making ends meet
today and paying property taxes, and yet money is being spent in our
schools on "inclusion" because the parents don't want their kids to
be different.

Well, let's face it, they are different and the average child
is suffering because of it.

I believe if enough people agree with me, and I think they are
out there, then we can make a difference if we get after our
legislators. That's the first step.

I think that teachers who have a degree from IUP are some of
the best and brightest, but a teacher can only do so much under
certain circumstances I call "educational obstacles."

If you want to know how teachers feel about what is going on in
our schools, ask them. You will be amazed at what they will tell you.

This No Child Left Behind is a disaster. The majority of
schools do not have a gifted program. The reason is "no money."

Every child is precious, but let's not try to make them into
something they are not. And by the way, I happen to have teachers in
my family, so I know whereof I speak.

Elizabeth Cooper
Alverda

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Fri, 02-18-2005 - 12:54pm

ANd here is the email I wrote back...the ones in quotes (<<<>>>) are the original email opinions, mine are below them. I am sure that many of you here will have strong reactions and some great opinions as well.
February 10, 2005
Email to a friend Voice your opinion

<<< First of all, let me say that I did not vote for George W. Bush
and his "No Child Left Behind" garbage.
I am not even sure if the original intent was what it has
turned into.>>>

I didn't vote for Bush or the NCLB either, as I am not an
American...but I am a parent of a disabled child, and one "normal" child as
well, so I do have an opinion. One that probably is much more informed
than yours on this particular subject.

<<< He said that every child was supposed to be able to read and
write by the third grade, but if you have a normal child that needs
tutoring in either of those subjects, you are not eligible under that
law until you're in the third grade.

So if your child needs help, you better get a private tutor.>>>

It is pretty much the same as when applying for disability benefits...until
the child reaches a certain age it is assumed that there parents are
responsilbe for all their care, once they pass that age limit when they
should be doing things on their own, like potty trained, or dress
themselves, then the assistance will kick in. In the case of the education,
it is assumed that until grade three the children are in the process of
learning to read and write independantly. After that time there are
resources that kick in to bring the children up to speed. Even so it is
still an incorrect assumption that there is no help for these "normal"
children before the grade three level...that IS what the teacher is
doing...giving them the help to become proficient at those abilities. My
child being in the classroom actually does not distract the teacher from
this job, she has an aide that spends the time with her so that the teacher
can watch the other children. The aide is given my daughter's assignments
and once the teacher explains the assignment to the class, my daughter does
her work on her computer and if she needs help it is the aide that gives it
to her. Her teacher only comes over to check on them as she is making the
rounds of the class.

<<< The thing that has me really mad and disgusted with what is
going on in our schools is like what Ross Perot said when he was
running for president: "There is too much money being spent on
mentally and physically challenged kids, and not enough being spent
on gifted kids. The challenged kids will never contribute anything
and the gifted kids will be our future leaders.">>>

And this thinking is one of the reasons that Ross Perot has never been
elected,IMO. THe challenged kids contribute a whole lot , even if it is
only to show the "gifted" children how to have compassion for those less
capable than themselves...because if they truly are gifted then MOST people
will less ability than them. In my daughters classroom the other children
treat her the same as the rest of their classmates. There are some who are
friends with her and some who do not want to play with her, just like the
population at large. By spending the money to give my daughter access to a
computer, her school has made her into a productive student. For the price
of one computer and a few software programs, the school has opened the door
for my daughter to answer test questions, and to show the world that she
does know how to write. While her classmates complete their lessons with
their pencils she uses a head switch to print the same words that they are
learning. The computer has also given her a voice, a concrete way to
communicate, and once she has finished learning to read and write, she will
be able to hold a conversation with anyone she wants to. I will be waiting
and encouraging her to speak to those like you who think she will not
contribute. I would like to see your face when the young woman who depends
on technology for a voice makes assumptions on your contribution to the
world based on your ignorant opinions. She may contribute more to this
world than the so called "gifted" children, we don't know yet because she is
only 7. At least she has the chance to contribute because she isn't being
denied an education on a level with her peers.

<<< I agree with what he said totally. The parents of these kids
are going to the schools and telling the administration that they
want these kids in school and in classes with normal kids.>>> Thank
goodness that intelligent people who helped to shape the world in
international law have taken steps to nuillify the ignorant thinking of
some people. As parents it is our duty to see that our children are given
access to their human rights, and education for disabled children is a
human rights issue. Here is the link to the Bill of Human Rights...
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/72.htm and in case you cannot navigate
through the bill... here is the declaration for disabled persons in full..
pay particular attention to numbers 2,3,5, 6.

Declaration on the Rights of Disabled Persons
Proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 3447 (XXX) of 9 December 1975

The General Assembly,
Mindful of the pledge made by Member States, under the Charter of the United
Nations to take joint and separate action in co-operation with the
Organization to promote higher standards of living, full employment and
conditions of economic and social progress and development,

Reaffirming its faith in human rights and fundamental freedoms and in the
principles of peace, of the dignity and worth of the human person and of
social justice proclaimed in the Charter,

Recalling the principles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the
International Covenants on Human Rights, the Declaration of the Rights of
the Child and the Declaration on the Rights of Mentally Retarded Persons, as
well as the standards already set for social progress in the constitutions,
conventions, recommendations and resolutions of the International Labour
Organisation, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural
Organization, the World Health Organization, the United Nations Children's
Fund and other organizations concerned,

Recalling also Economic and Social Council resolution 1921 (LVIII) of 6 May
1975 on the prevention of disability and the rehabilitation of disabled
persons,

Emphasizing that the Declaration on Social Progress and Development has
proclaimed the necessity of protecting the rights and assuring the welfare
and rehabilitation of the physically and mentally disadvantaged,

Bearing in mind the necessity of preventing physical and mental disabilities
and of assisting disabled persons to develop their abilities in the most
varied fields of activities and of promoting their integration as far as
possible in normal life,

Aware that certain countries, at their present stage of development, can
devote only limited efforts to this end,

Proclaims this Declaration on the Rights of Disabled Persons and calls for
national and international action to ensure that it will be used as a common
basis and frame of reference for the protection of these rights:

1. The term "disabled person" means any person unable to ensure by himself
or herself, wholly or partly, the necessities of a normal individual and/or
social life, as a result of deficiency, either congenital or not, in his or
her physical or mental capabilities.

2. Disabled persons shall enjoy all the rights set forth in this
Declaration. These rights shall be granted to all disabled persons without
any exception whatsoever and without distinction or discrimination on the
basis of race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinions,
national or social origin, state of wealth, birth or any other situation
applying either to the disabled person himself or herself or to his or her
family.

3. Disabled persons have the inherent right to respect for their human
dignity. Disabled persons, whatever the origin, nature and seriousness of
their handicaps and disabilities, have the same fundamental rights as their
fellow-citizens of the same age, which implies first and foremost the right
to enjoy a decent life, as normal and full as possible.

4. Disabled persons have the same civil and political rights as other human
beings; paragraph 7 of the Declaration on the Rights of Mentally Retarded
Persons applies to any possible limitation or suppression of those rights
for mentally disabled persons.

5. Disabled persons are entitled to the measures designed to enable them to
become as self-reliant as possible.

6. Disabled persons have the right to medical, psychological and functional
treatment, including prosthetic and orthetic appliances, to medical and
social rehabilitation, education, vocational training and rehabilitation,
aid, counselling, placement services and other services which will enable
them to develop their capabilities and skills to the maximum and will hasten
the processes of their social integration or reintegration.

7. Disabled persons have the right to economic and social security and to a
decent level of living. They have the right, according to their
capabilities, to secure and retain employment or to engage in a useful,
productive and remunerative occupation and to join trade unions.

8. Disabled persons are entitled to have their special needs taken into
consideration at all stages of economic and social planning.

9. Disabled persons have the right to live with their families or with
foster parents and to participate in all social, creative or recreational
activities. No disabled person shall be subjected, as far as his or her
residence is concerned, to differential treatment other than that required
by his or her condition or by the improvement which he or she may derive
therefrom. If the stay of a disabled person in a specialized establishment
is indispensable, the environment and living conditions therein shall be as
close as possible to those of the normal life of a person of his or her age.

10. Disabled persons shall be protected against all exploitation, all
regulations and all treatment of a discriminatory, abusive or degrading
nature.

11. Disabled persons shall be able to avail themselves of qualified legal
aid when such aid proves indispensable for the protection of their persons
and property. If judicial proceedings are instituted against them, the legal
procedure applied shall take their physical and mental condition fully into
account.

12. Organizations of disabled persons may be usefully consulted in all
matters regarding the rights of disabled persons.

13. Disabled persons, their families and communities shall be fully
informed, by all appropriate means, of the rights contained in this
Declaration.

<<< Well, here we go. As if teachers do not have enough on their
plates with 20-30 students in a room. Now we have "inclusion" kids
and God knows how many aides.>
No wonder our teachers have a tough time trying to teach.>>>

Hhhhmmmm.....I think that ANY teacher would welcome having an aide...it
means that there are extra adults available to help keep control in the
classroom. If it is so hard to teach with aides in the classroom, why is it
that schools are begging for parent volunteers to help out in the classes?!
Usually the amount of students that the teacher will teach stays the same
even with an "inclusion" student, the class sizes are predetermined at the
beginning of the year using the number of ALL students...not by dividing the
number of "normal" students and then adding the special needs students
later. Again this is an ignorant assumption that class sizes will
change...no if there are too many students per class then the school will
hire a new teacher and make a 2nd, 3rd or 4th class.

<<< This is nothing more than glorified babysitting for the parents
and an expense for property taxpayers.>>>
This is laughable excuse on your part...you do realize that the parents of the special needs children ALSO pay property taxes?! Or do you believe that only homeless people have
special needs children? As for glorified babysitting, I do know that when
school is cancelled because of inclement weather that ALL parents are
griping about what are they supposed to do with their children for the
day..they have to go to work, so the kids need to be in school. Its not
the parents of the special needs children who are complaining about needing
a babysitter...but the parents of the "normal" children. So I guess school
is a glorified babysitter for all children.

<<< These vans and drivers are paid with our tax dollars. The bus
company must be paid and what has the child learned? Nothing. Not
today or any other day.>>> The school pays for buses for the children who
live outside a certain distance from the school, so I guess that is a waste
of tax dollars as well..let's cut it out entirely. That way the bus
company will not need to be paid. As far as I know there is no child that
learns anything from riding a bus...oh wait you meant that the special
needs child hasn't learned anything at school? And you know this
because...what? Do you administer test on these children to determine what
they can grasp? Maybe the children learns all kinds of useful information
but because of ignorant people in the world they are not given the chance
to show it? Maybe when people see the disabled child, they make the
assumption that this person is beneath them and would not be able to
compete with their intelligence...well in that case it's awfully hard for a
disabled person to show their worth. Even if they are intellectually
slower than the rest of the population, the special needs child has a
better chance to reach their full potential in life when they are
surrounded by their peers. These children have not asked to have problems,
they have not done anything to deserve to be written off by people like
you...these children try their best in everything that they do, not to
become number one but enjoy the fact that they have learned something. It
is a concept that you should try once in awhile, the accomplishment of
doing something that was really hard for you...it will not only make you a
smarter person, but it will lift your spirit and make you want to try
something else that you have always thought was out of your reach. Life
would be an awful thing if we took the American dream away from a child
because he was born into a poor family that couldn't afford to have dreams.
We tell all our children to be the best that they can be, and for the
special needs child it is imperative that they go to school so that they
get the chance to change the opinions of the world, by changing the
opinions of the future world leaders...their classmates.

<<< By the way, these kids do not have to be in school. They are
there because the parent or guardian has asked that they be taken to
school. They have a free babysitter so they can do what they want for
the day.>>>

See above, the Charter of the Bill of HUman Rights...they have
to be in school. If you are going to spout off on a subject at least TRY
and sound intelligent. In case you haven't looked at #6 of the Rights of
desable persons, in the BIll of HUman rights, here it is...
"6. Disabled persons have the right to medical, psychological and functional
treatment, including prosthetic and orthetic appliances, to medical and
social rehabilitation, education, vocational training and rehabilitation,
aid, counselling, placement services and other services which will enable
them to develop their capabilities and skills to the maximum and will hasten
the processes of their social integration or reintegration."
So by being born these special needs children are entitled to their Human
Rights, the same Human Rights that YOU are entitled to. Until you can prove
that special needs children aren't humans then you have no leg to stand on
in this argument.

<<< If they work full or part time, they don't pay for child care.>>>

ANy parent of a child in school does not pay for child care while the child
is in school. SHow me a parent who pays for child care for the time that
their child is in school.... I won't hold my breath for that proof.

<<< Most people that work have to pay for child care and
babysitting out of their paycheck, plus travel to work.>>>

Yes, I pay for babysitting out of my pocket, child care out of my pocket and
my travel to work out of my pocket. My youngest child, who does not have
special needs, is not in school so I pay for his child care out of my
pocket...when he goes to school I will stop paying for childcare. Oh my
goodness I guess I'll be using school as a babysitter for him. You really
must get off this arguement it doesn't help your case.

<<< Our tax millage keeps going up and I've just stated some of the
reasons.>>>

SO state the other reasons and let me see if I'd prefer to
give my money to children trying to learn and live in a world that doesn't
want them, or if I'd prefer to give it to those lazy people on
welfare...who have the ability to work but can't be bothered to because of
their lazy personality. Or the ones on welfare who could have learned the
skills to have a career but decided that school was a waste of their energy
and quit. No I'd pick my child, the one who wants to be accepted by the
world and will work the hardest so that she CAN contribute in spite of her
disability, and in spite of ignorant people who want to deny her the
chance.

<<< There are some families that have a hard time making ends meet
today and paying property taxes, and yet money is being spent in our
schools on "inclusion" because the parents don't want their kids to
be different.>>>

There some families of special needs children who are struggling to pay all
the regular bills a family incurs as well as all the extra expenses, for
wheelchairs, medications, and adapting their homes and vehicles to carry
their children around safely. And we won't even mention the extra cost of
having tests done, tutoring help and other things that the families of
special needs children go through so that they WILL have the best chance of
getting an education, and proving that their child is worthy of the chance
to learn. If you have a problem with the money going into education,
or going into a certain part of the education system...then speak to your
Government representative about diverting the funds.
<<is suffering because of it.>>>

The only one who is suffering becuase of my daughter's special needs is
herself. She has to suffer through prejudice and ignorance about her worth
as a human being. She has to suffer the indignity of people, usually
adults, standing in front of her talking about her limitations and the fact
that they don't think she is worthy of extra help to learn. She has to
suffer through convincing people that when she answers a question correctly
that it wasn't a fluke. The average child in her school is busy learning at
their own pace and socially devleoping along with the rest of the class,
they have the attention of the teacher and their peers while my daughter is
at her special desk doing her work. I work very hard with my daughter at
home, in explaining WHY she must always work hard and why she must always
strive to do her best, so that the world will acknowledge her capabilities
and not her disabilities. She suffers because she is never allowed to have
a day off from learning, she cannot act up in class like her friends
sometimes do because if she does there will be some adult somewhere who will
use it as an excuse to try and remove her from their child's class as a
disruption.

<<< I believe if enough people agree with me, and I think they are
out there, then we can make a difference if we get after our
legislators. That's the first step.>>>

I actually wish you luck in your attempt to change legislation...that is the
correct way about changing the system. I also applaud your attempt to get
your message out to people, if you want things changed the first step is
being vocal about it. But that is where my good luck wishes end. I hope
that there is enough people like me, the parents of , the friends of, the
family of, the neighbours of children with disabilities , so that we can
use OUR voices, and the voices of our disabled children to stop you from
getting the change you want. I know that if I took this to the parents of
my daughter's classmates that they would not side with you...and if any of
them did I know that their children would shout them down. The children who
will be our future leaders already know , instinctively, that disabled
people are as worthy as they are. Worthy of everything in life, friends,
family and education.

<<< I think that teachers who have a degree from IUP are some of
the best and brightest, but a teacher can only do so much under
certain circumstances I call "educational obstacles.">>>

If we didn't havethose special needs children then the best and brightest of the teachers
wouldn't be using their full potential, in fact they might not even become
teachers, they may use their talents elsewhere. If they thought enough to
get the degree so that they can teach special needs children then , maybe
they would leave the public school system and go teach in the "special"
schools.

<<< If you want to know how teachers feel about what is going on in
our schools, ask them. You will be amazed at what they will tell you.>>>

You should ask them all, you might be amazed at what they tell you as well.

<<< This No Child Left Behind is a disaster. The majority of
schools do not have a gifted program. The reason is "no money.">>>
WHy is that "gifted" children should have the resources? If you take the
resources away from the special needs students and put into gifted programs
aren't the average students STILL going to be short changed? MOst gifted
students, if they are truly gifted, can also have an IEP designed for them
which will aloow them to explore a higher level of academics than that of
their classmates. Parents of gifted children...go to your school and tell
them that you want an IEP made up so that your children can reach their
full potential!

<<< Every child is precious, but let's not try to make them into
something they are not. And by the way, I happen to have teachers in
my family, so I know whereof I speak.>>>
Yes I agree let's not make children into something they are not; but let's
afford them the chance to become the best they can be. Give them all an
education and let them have a chance. As for having teachers in your
family...good for you, I do as well. I am sure that there are teachers who
feel the same as you and I am sure that there are many who believe that
every child deserves an education. Because I know teachers then I also know
whereof I speak.
My disabled daughter also influenced a family friend to become a teacher
because of what she learned about education from being an aide to my
daughter. I guess my daughter has already contributed more to the world
than you or Ross Perot ever thought she would. She gave the education
system another great teacher.

<<< Elizabeth Cooper
Alverda>>>
SHelley Gudger
MOther to a disabled child who deserves the same chance to become a future
world leader.

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Fri, 02-18-2005 - 3:07pm

((((Shelley))))

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Fri, 02-18-2005 - 7:12pm
who the hell is this person who sent out this e mail???
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Fri, 02-18-2005 - 7:55pm
I have no idea but her name (or A name) is signed at the bottom. It was forwarded to a group I belong to, from one of our members who got it on another of her groups. So I'm not sure where it originated from. All I know is that somewhere (obviously in the US...because they talk about No Child Left Behind) someone has written these ideas and opinions down and sent them out to someone. I really hope that she is in the minority with her thinking because if not those of us with disabled children could have a long life in front of us.
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Fri, 02-18-2005 - 9:27pm

Shelly, Sandra and Noreen....


Although NCLB (no child left behind) was addressed in the letter...I've seen

 


 



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Sun, 02-20-2005 - 2:48am
OMG!! Apparently this person doesn't know about the compulsory school attendance law. DUH!! And that childcare costs everybody, regardless of what your kid's needs are. Unless you're low income and get daycare assistance. I've seen just as many gifted kids get daycare assistance as special needs kids.
Never in my life have I read something so rude, cruel and uninformed. I hope this wasn't a "friend" that forwarded this to you.

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Sun, 02-20-2005 - 3:10am
Wow! What an excellent reply!! I know I couldn't have responded to her as well as you could have.

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Sun, 02-20-2005 - 10:44am
The thing is...after I sent it back through the loop (LOL) I thought of all kinds of things that I could have said. But it is so hard to get sarcasm to "sound" the same when it's in print.
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Mon, 02-21-2005 - 11:43pm
You did a really good job though. If it was me that responded, well it wouldn't have been pretty. I would have flown off the handle and wrote all kinds of profanities, lol.