End Times Discussion

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Wed, 05-25-2011 - 4:02am

So according to our poll, 34% of us believe in a pre-trib rapture, 34% of us believe it doesn't really matter as it will all just pan out, 16% think post-trib, 8 % thinks mid-trib, & 1 very honest person is just confused.


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Wed, 05-25-2011 - 4:06am

I'd like to start off by reading the beginning of Matthew 24.


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Wed, 05-25-2011 - 4:13am

Matthew 24 has been pivotal to me in seeing the apparent fallacy of the pre-trib rapture doctrine that is being so widely taught in the western church & pushed by popular books & movies as well.


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Wed, 05-25-2011 - 11:00am
I guess I was misunderstanding what the Tribulation period would be, hence my belief that rapture happened first. Looks like Tribulation is when believers are persecuted, so it makes no sense for us to be taken to Heaven first. I suppose I thought Tribulation was everything that happened on earth after the rapture!

Obviously I'm a newbie in end-times knowledge; however, I don't think that my lack of knowledge has been a problem, since I could easily have answered the poll with the "it will all pan out" answer. I trust God's got the right plan and that no matter what happens to my physical body, my soul is safe with Him.

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Wed, 05-25-2011 - 11:06am

I do see the point people who believe post tribulation see here.

As is true of many large doctrines in the Bible, there is a large group of scriptures we have to look at together to see the big picture. My short answer on how this passage fits in with a pre-tribulation concept is that there will be believers in the tribulation- that become christians after the rapture, after seeing it happen & seeing the signs of of the tribulation. So this passage can be true in both pre and post trib camps.

I'll post my thoughts on pre-trib after this because it's ubber long lol. I will say first & foremost though that I believe this is an issue that while interesting and important, is not vital to salvation. Christians can disagree on this and still be christian and if anyone tries to tell you differently, don't listen. That kind of attitude is taking away from the true Gospel of Jesus, saved by grace through faith alone in Him.

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Wed, 05-25-2011 - 11:21am

As I said in my above post :) This is an awesome topic to discuss but I wuv you all and am fine with agreeing to disagree... if we disagree- lol does that make sense? So I'm just pasting in my notes from studying the subject- which are actually from after I came out of an end times cult that predicted the end of the world 10-15 times- just like Camping did/does.

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Wed, 05-25-2011 - 12:18pm
I definitely agree that this isn't a matter that determines our salvation - which is a good thing when there's confusion and differing opinions. (Confusion on my part, at least. LOL)

I think, like Cathy, I've never been taught this subject (though most churches I've been in do have levels of study, so it's not just basics and I pray that will happen in her church). So I've either heard or read bits from authors but would rather trust the source material (ie, the Bible). ;)

I'm okay with not knowing the order for sure, but I do think I should keep in mind and heart that this world isn't going to last forever, so I need to live with my priorities straight and be prepared for what may come before the end of my life, or Rapture.

And I must bookmark this thread so I can come back and study all the verses when the kids are sleeping (aka when my brain has a chance for reflection).

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Wed, 05-25-2011 - 2:00pm

"Looks like Tribulation is when believers are persecuted, so it makes no sense for us to be taken to Heaven first." I agree!

I like this definition of Tribulation I found on wiktionary online - "A relatively short period of time before the second coming where believers will experience worldwide persecution and be purified and strengthened by it."

"I trust God's got the right plan and that no matter what happens to my physical body, my soul is safe with Him." I do too!!

But sadly, the Bible does say that in the end times, there will be a great apostasy or falling away, meaning that not every professing believer will hold to the faith :(

"1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. " - 2 Thessalonians 2

King James calls it the "falling away."


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Thu, 05-26-2011 - 7:47am

I am not able to read all the scripture and the article right now.


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Thu, 05-26-2011 - 9:38am

Thank you for posting this letter. It has sparked a very interesting conversation around me. Everyone diving for their bibles to prove their points. I just love everyone diving for their bibles!!

& what strength. She had true faith in God. I hope to achieve the same knowledge someday please & thank God.

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