Anyone else find this amusing/ironic?

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Wed, 02-18-2004 - 10:09am
The evangelical/fundamentalist community seems to have embraced Gibson's Passion whole-hog. Nothing wrong with that, but I find it a bit ironic, given that he has been so outspoken about his Catholicism and its influence on the movie. He screened it first for only Catholic leaders. Yet evangelical churches around the country -- many of which, I imagine, have anti-Catholic leanings -- are hailing this movie, sight unseen, as just short of miraculous.

I think it is amusing.

Polly

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Wed, 02-18-2004 - 1:48pm
I'm been thinking somewhat the same thing. It almost seems as if there is more interest in the movie from the evangelicals than from the Catholic community.
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Wed, 02-18-2004 - 3:50pm
I don't know if I find it amusing as much as sad. Sad that Catholics are so loathe to publicly embrace their faith lest they be associated with its beliefs. Sad that Catholics are so terrified of being branded anti-semitic that they won't advocate on behalf of this very, very Catholic movie (oh so PC are we). Sad that Catholics are so poorly catechized and have so little intellectual knowledge of the actual Passion in the gospels that they shy away from the discomfort of it all despite the fact that without it there would be no salvation.

I wonder how many Catholics watched Mel's interview on EWTN vs. his interview on NBC? I wonder how many Catholics roll their eyes when Mel talks openly about needing to take communion every day in order to ward off Satanic influences trying to disrupt the film or how many Catholics scoff at Mel's insistence that God led him to make this?

I know I have brought up the controversy surrounding this film in a multitude of forums (both on-line and IRL) and w/o fail it gets the most discussion from non-Catholics. Are we really so uncomfortable with the crux of our salvation that we cannot talk about it? I really think the lack of Catholic "voice" as far as this film is concerned is something to be mourned. Something is very, very wrong and this is but a symptom.

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jeff

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Wed, 02-18-2004 - 5:48pm
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I wonder if it might be the opposite? Catholics have traditionally focused more on the crucifixion, while protestants have focused more on the Resurrection (i.e. no Jesus on their crosses). I wonder if this focus on the crucifixion is as fascinating for them as, say, the fundamentalist take on Revelation is for me. Not that I believe it to be correct over ours, but that it's so different from what I've been taught that I just find it really fascinating.

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Thu, 02-19-2004 - 12:53am
I take a more optimistic view. The Catholics with whom I've discussed it are all planning on seeing the movie, and really looking forward to it. (Admittedly, I've mostly discussed it with family.)

I think one reason for the reticence among Catholics in speaking out is that they HAVEN'T seen it. I can respect that. I hope it lives up to my expectations, but I'm not willing to make any judgments without seeing it. That's part of the thing that is amusing about the evangelical reaction. They haven't seen it either, but they already love it. (I guess its just the opposite of the ones that they hate without seeing.)

I could imagine some Catholics being uncomfortable with that quote about how his Episcopalian wife is going to hell, though. That one made me wince a bit.

By the way, congratulations on your pregnancy! I posted that awhile ago, but the post didn't show up.

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Thu, 02-19-2004 - 9:54am
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Who said this? Mel? Was it in the NBC interview? I don't remember hearing this in the EWTN interview and I missed the other one (pregnancy induced exhaustion!). Is his wife Episcopalian? I think it's rather presumptious for ANYONE to presume that anyone else is going to Hell since I'm pretty sure that's exclusively God's call.

Good point about withholding discussion until having seen the movie, but just on philosophical grounds I don't think any group has a right to tell a movie maker what kind of movie they can make, etc. Let alone wage an all out campaign to keep the movie from being shown. Furthermore I would give these Jewish leaders more credibility if they were equally concerned with stopping all religious bigotry not just against themselves. And even they now are saying well "it COULD incite anti-semitism in people who are already anti-semitic". Uh-huh. That's a far cry from the earlier insistence that the film itself *is* anti-semitic. Furthermore I think these leaders are showing an INTENTIONAL misunderstanding of most Christians views of culpability for the crucifixtion. I mean come on, these people cannot be as educated as they claim to be and NOT know that each and every Christian holds himself personally responsible first and foremost. I don't know what their agenda is but I think they need to do a little cleaning in their own house first (isn't the statistic in the US that over 70% of Jews consider themselves to cultural Jews only, as opposed to religious?) before worrying about what Christians are watching at the local AMC.

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jeff

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Thu, 02-19-2004 - 11:52am
I read the hell comment on msnbc, but the interview was with an Australian magazine, I think. I couldn't find the msnbc link, but here's another:

http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/0212gibson.html

I absolutely agree no one should tell him what movie he can make. But I can understand concerns about anti-Semitism, because there are a lot of ignorant people in the world. And if the movie is as dramatic and visual as I've heard, it could whip people into a frenzy -- particularly people who are just looking for an excuse to cause trouble.

Now, that's not Mel's fault. And I think he's made it clear that he doesn't blame the Jewish people for the death of Christ. So it is time for priests and ministers everywhere to remind their congregations that we're all responsible.

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Thu, 02-19-2004 - 1:15pm
Sorry for sending you to such as cheesy site. It was the first one that came up on Google, and I was rushing to a meeting... feel the need to point out that I don't regularly look at that site...

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Thu, 02-19-2004 - 2:30pm
Lol! It's not a cheesy site! I look at azcentral all the time in winter when I want to torture myself and get a hint of the beautiful weather I left behind 4 years ago. :)

That comment is a bit disturbing. I think I will try to find the original interview. That is just the kind of press the Church doesn't need!

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jeff