Church's view on fertility treatments?

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Mon, 11-17-2003 - 1:12pm
I was watching the Dateline special on the McCoy septuplets and one thing has always irked me about this couple. They had one child. They wanted more, but couldn't conceive so they went to fertility treatments and got pregnant with 7 babies. They don't believe in abortion and so elected to have all 7 and now are dealing with the consequences (i.e. developmental delays, financial problems, etc.) I always hear the mom saying something along the lines of "God blessed us with these children and he wouldn't give us anything we can't handle, etc." I just want to shake her and say NO! God did not give you 7 kids at once, God gave you 1 healthy happy little girl and His will wasn't good enough for you so you turned to science to get your 7 kids. I was just wondering, what is the Catholic church's stance on fertility treatments. If I'm not mistaken, one of the reasons Catholics don't condone birth control is that such a practice interferes with the will of God. Wouldn't the same be held true for fertility treatments?

FTR I am totally against any kind of fertility treatments, given the overpopulation of our country and planet, and the millions of babies in this country and others without loving parents who are available for adoption. I think the adoption industry needs a revamp and this would even help with the abortion dilema.

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Mon, 11-17-2003 - 1:28pm
Hey Liberty, look behind you, I'm stalking you across boards. ;) Just kidding, obviously. Yes, the Church is absolutely against fertility treatments which take the act of procreation outside of the marital sex act. It is acceptable to use fertility drugs, such a clomid, to stimulate egg production or similar drugs to increase sperm count (is there such a thing?), but invasive procedures such as IVF and GIFT are not permissible under Church law. I'm sure somebody with more initiative will be able to point you towards the appropriate passages in the Catechism.

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jeff

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Mon, 11-17-2003 - 3:26pm
Interesting. I know this isn't a debate board, but I would question, how is Clomid, a drug that stimulates egg production justified, while a bc pill that might halt egg production not accepted? Is it the abortifacient properties of the pill that the church has a problem with? If so, why are other methods such as condoms, diaphrams, etc. also not accepted? I would think that ANYTHING that alters (reduces or accelerates) the possibility of getting pg from having sex would not be accepted.
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Mon, 11-17-2003 - 7:28pm
I don't know the correct answer but my guess would be that clomid is ok because it is meant to correct a medical problem, just like insulin for a diabetic. Whereas condoms and other barrier methods are intentional acts of interference in the process of creation.

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jeff

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Mon, 11-17-2003 - 8:31pm

Becky is right.

Kim mom to Brad, Matt, Emma, Sarah, and Meagan

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Mon, 11-17-2003 - 10:04pm
As someone noted that treatment for infertility which assists the natural process of the body is morally acceptable. IVF and GIFT replace the natural process which makes them immoral. ABC is immoral when it's use intentionally interfers in the natural process of conception. NFP is moral because it uses the natural process to space the conception children. Pregnancy is not a disease, but a natural outcome. That is why I do not believe ABC should be covered by health insurance, drugs used for ABC are not treating or preventing disease directly. However I do understand that some drugs that have an BC effect are used to treat certain diseases and conditions. They are moral because their primary purpose is to treat the disease or condition, the BC effect is secondary.
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Tue, 11-18-2003 - 3:49pm
From a strictly non-moral standpoint, the insurance companies proabably figure the cost of the BC is less than the cost of newborn and new mom care in the hospital.

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Tue, 11-18-2003 - 4:18pm
I would encourage you not to stand in judgement of others, especially since you have not experienced the devastion of an infertility diagonises (sp?) As someone who has, I can't convey what a truly emotional road I (and many others)have traveled. As a person of deep and strong faith, I read a great deal and spoke with many people in the church before making the decision to persue fertility treatment. As a result of have the greatest blessing of my life and I thank God for her with each breath I take! Had I not had my faith and trust in God, I may have never had the strength to try fertility treatments.

I would ask that you, instead of condmening, PRAY those like me, who travel the infertility road. Pray for our health(physical and emotional), our faith, our families. Pray for us to have patience and understanding in God's plan. Please pray for more adoption, I too feel it is a wonderful way to parenthood, and wish there could be more of them.

I would also encourage you to view this link. It may provide some insight into what the infertility rollercoaster is truely like.

http://www.vocalicious.com/empty_arms/empty_arms_mod.html

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Tue, 11-18-2003 - 6:15pm
IMO, medical treatments & preventions are on completely different plane views from religion. What matters is still on preferences how the mother or father choose to raise children. Family planning? I still believe the Church holds truths regarding responsible, moral obligations, existence. Without the medical community, there are no means of curative healing, while the churches provide the spiritual application.
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Wed, 11-19-2003 - 11:20am
Jumping in from another board. I don't usually do this but I feel compelled. I think it is funny that any of us think we can override the will of God, even with science. There are plenty of infertility patients that sadly never give birth to a child as well as plenty of women on birth control (of ANY kind) that are surprised with a pregnancy.

Maybe I am looking at this more black and white. We can talk until we are blue about clomid being morally right because.. or GIFT being wrong because... but I certainly don't think we have any real say in the outcome. We just try (however we can) and pray that God blesses us this time with a child.

Could you also consider these two points:

1) Do you think God would deprive any of His children from the simplest, purest joy He provides?

2) Do you think God may have had something to do with us (humans) gaining the ability through science to aid families with infertility? Might treatments be a tool of God, not something meant to defy Him?

Those are just some thoughts floating around my head. JMO. Take them or leave them.


~Megan

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Wed, 11-19-2003 - 11:55am
I believe we have free will to do with as we choose.

Kim mom to Brad, Matt, Emma, Sarah, and Meagan

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