Communion & politics

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Communion & politics
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Mon, 05-03-2004 - 8:20pm

What are your feelings on the latest and greatest news circulating about Catholics.

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Mon, 05-03-2004 - 8:51pm
All Catholics must live our Faith to the best of our ability. To profess one thing and act differently is a disconnected Faith. This is not setting a precedent! This is and has always been the rule of the Church. If you intentionally, willfully and publically act or speak in opposition to the Catholic Faith it is known as "Scandal" and if it could cause harm to another persons Faith by what you do or say. The Church will take public action against you, Canonically that is. (Ex-communication is the extreme possibility) If a candidate repents, goes to Confession and changes their ways. They can be forgiven and return to the fold. If they think that they can fool God,?? (I would not want to be in that position) If you choose to vote for someone because they are Pro-abortion, then yes you could be if it becomes public knowledge, you at least sin privately by doing so.

Live your Catholic Faith in every way, in every thing you say and do! That is what is required.

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Registered: 03-29-2003
Tue, 05-04-2004 - 10:35am
I don't know if this has been debated under the religion board or not. I just don't think people should make the Catholic religion a sin due to something inhumane that occurs everyday. Issues are issues & stands are made for us. People won't congregate together unless we come to know & trust each other as one. Singling out one singles out another. Lost identities are the prime reason why we are unaccountable for people's mistakes or unpoliticized motives. I will pray for such (as those) to happen with greater ease. Whether they are women in the ministry or for the men, peace is our gift we give to each other.
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Registered: 10-23-2001
Tue, 05-04-2004 - 3:00pm

I think John Kerry said it best when he made mention that he is A Candidate who happens to be Catholic not a Catholic Candidate!

 


 


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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 05-04-2004 - 3:42pm
Although the Catholic Church can utilize their power to influence the politics and laws of this country, by being tax exempt, there are limitations to those influences. Under IRS Code 501(c)(3) the Catholic Church gives up it’s right to take a political stance by endorsing a political candidate. Now if this means the Church has “sold its soul to the devil” then it can always start paying taxes and be the most powerful religious political force in this country.

And I think it is absolutely appalling that Brother Rich would even insinuate that a person could be excommunicated, or have “action taken against them”, if they vote a certain way.

There is God’s law and there is man’s law. In the US there is separation of Church and State, and we need to make our votes count in every way we can. Do we want a pro-abortion president? Of course not, but to face the truth, even if we elected a pro-life president it would not change the fact that abortion is legal in this country. What happens if both candidates are pro-abortion; do we not vote at all, forcing millions of Catholics to abstain their vote? Who would have all the say in who becomes president? Certainly not a Catholic. Or, do we cast our vote for the lesser of two evils on other issues? Clinton was “pro-choice”, however some of the most strict abortion laws were passed under his presidency. The amount of time was reduced from the 3rd trimester to the 1st trimester. Counseling the mother of other options became mandatory before the procedure. He also limited the amount of funding that could go to foreign countries trying to control population, 96% of funding had to go to non-abortion methods. Not abolishment, but I consider that at least some progress. We do not need to be told by our Church that we will be excommunicated if we exercise our right to vote; Jesus gave us free will and voting is one we can most important ways we can utilize it.

You have to remember that Catholic politics are different in European countries, which of course is where the Vatican is located. They do not have separation of Church and State, and religion plays a big part in their politics and government. Isn't that why we left a few hundred years ago!? :-)

You seem to be very politically aware and concerned. I highly recommend this link, written by Deirdre Dessingue, she is the attorney for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops if you’re interested:

http://pewforum.org/publications/reports/IRCbrochureBIG.pdf

SamIam

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Tue, 05-04-2004 - 4:06pm

Thank you for your response.

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Tue, 05-04-2004 - 4:31pm

oh, no, no.

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Tue, 05-04-2004 - 4:33pm

ah, yes!

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Registered: 10-23-2001
Tue, 05-04-2004 - 5:52pm

Don't misunderstand my post, Kimberly


I do lead by example and pray on issues, personal things affecting our own family but that's where I draw the line.

 


 


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Registered: 04-01-2003
Tue, 05-04-2004 - 6:02pm
"his moral beliefs need to be taught to the entire nation"---I never
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Registered: 04-05-2003
Tue, 05-04-2004 - 6:09pm
No, absolutely no. One is Catholic first and foremost. I think it will come as a HUGE shock to John Kerry to find that upon final judgement it is his actions, public and private, for which he will be held accountable. I doubt God will find the old Nazi argument of, "I was just doing my job", very credible.

In this whole argument it is important to remember 2 things: 1) John Kerry (or any Catholic) CHOOSES to go into politics and 2) John Kerry (or any Catholic) CHOOSES to be Catholic. He (or any Catholic) is certainly free to NOT make those choices. By choosing to be Catholic (and publicly flout his "Catholicism" ) he is choosing to live within the guidelines of the Church which include not bringing scandal to the Church. Those who PUT THEMSELVES in the public spotlight wield great influence over others and with that they incur great responsibility to be consistent in thought, belief and action. In Catholicism there are consequences for one's actions, public or private. Those are the conditions one accepts when one CHOOSES to be Catholic.

If a politician is going around publicly displaying that it is ok to be Catholic and pro-choice then he has chosen to publicly disregard Church dogma thus causing scandal. The Church has every right and indeed a responsibility to both defend herself (by denying communion to unrepentant sinners) and to clarify the issue for the rest of the Catholic population who may be led astray by this person. To allow John Kerry (or Nancy Pelosi, etc.) to continue to receive communion when they are clearly in violation of Church dogma (and admantly insist on continuing to be) makes the Church complicit in muddying the moral waters and leading others astray. For goodness sake don't we have enough confusion about catechetical matters without politicians blurring the lines? Or better yet, declaring themselves "thinking", "independent" Catholics (as though the rest of us are moronic lemmings).

Last point of issue: Abortion is a matter of dogma. It is ALWAYS, universally wrong except to save the life of the mother. All other political issues are matters of doctrine, open to interpretation based on circumstances. That is a VITAL difference when considering one's "Catholicity".

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jeff

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