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Sat, 08-16-2003 - 2:30pm
blasphemous.

I've been thinking about this ever since I finished the DaVinci Code. One of the tenets of belief allegedly held by the group the Priory of Sion is that Christ was married to Mary Magdalene. Now, putting historical evidence and personal religious beliefs aside for a second I'd like to hear your opinions on the following:

Is a married Christ necessarily incompatible with a Divine Christ?

IOW, is it possible for Christ to be both married and divine or would one necessarily exclude the other? If so why?

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Sun, 08-17-2003 - 1:43pm
Though I don't believe that Jesus was married to Mary Magdelene (I just don't think Scripture supports that idea), I do think it's an interesting idea. Does marriage limit one's divinity? In the case of Jesus, He needed to be single-minded in His purpose. But for the rest of us...no, though certainly some believe the call to priesthood or sisterhood is a 'higher' calling than that of marriage. I do believe that married people are also 'called'. As a priest at my church once said, 'All vocations come from marriage.' Cool, huh? ~Kerry
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Sun, 08-17-2003 - 2:30pm
I would have to agree with Kerry...There are no teachings or literature that I know of that support the compatability with Marriage and the Divine. I, too, believe that Jesus was never married. Our divine, most holy, is who we pray to every week and the representative is who other, than our Parish Priest who has taken the vow of celibacy...Hmmm. Very interesting Question!

Jeanne

 

 

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Sun, 08-17-2003 - 2:37pm
Jeanne,

Do you believe that celibacy is a higher calling than that of marriage? Do you think celibate person is somehow more holy than one who isn't? The priest does present Jesus, but we're all called to do that, each in our own way.

Kerry

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Sun, 08-17-2003 - 2:48pm
Gosh, good question Kerry...I truly don't know. You're right, we are all called to be disciples of Christ in our own way. The Hierarchy has to start somewhere thou and my Faith dictates that order. Does that make Sense?! I think there are positions and places for the Married in the Church like Lector, Eucharistic Ministries, even Deacons are Married. And Quite Frankly, I don't know how comfortable I would feel if my Priest was married. There is a sense of holiness, solemn, confidant like in a Priest when I talk to him vs other Ministries. What are your Thoughts?.............

Jeanne

 

 

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Mon, 08-18-2003 - 11:44am
I think the crisis in the Church is proof positive that someone's holiness has very little to do with their title. A priest, bishop, etc. can attain very high levels within the hierarchy of this Church while living a life totally at odds with the Gospel of caring for the sheep. I think humility and charity are keys to holiness, and while I've seen some priests fulfill that call beautifully, I've seen more mothers who, as a matter of course, put themselves second to others. That's holiness as presented by Christ, and His Mother. ~Kerry
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Mon, 08-18-2003 - 1:12pm
I personally don't think that marriage and divinity are necessarily mutually exclusive. I don't believe Jesus was married, but if it turned out He was it doesn't negate anything He said, did or stands for. If there was any type of a relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene then I'd like to think it was more one of soul mates in the style of St. Francis/St. Clare or St. John of the Cross/St. Teresa. I believe that when two people share the same path, the same beliefs and the same commitment, truly love each other, fully support each other and yet choose to consecrate themselves to God through celibacy that the results are more powerful than they would be if they were complicated with a "relationship" which does not always put people on the same path and is laced with doubt, insecurity, etc. I think the celibacy frees up a lot of mental, emotional and spiritual energy that can be poured into other works. Of course Jesus, being divine, did not need a soul mate to do the things He did (um, like save us all ;) ) but it would be nice to think that He had someone on earth who fully supported Him and devoted herself to Him that He could draw comfort from. But now I'm rambling.......

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Mon, 08-18-2003 - 1:27pm
Hi all...I think we can all be vulnerable to this bit of debate. Our Faith is that, Faith. To read too much into the media stipulations about Abuse being rampant and everywhere is a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion. Unless there are specific writings that support Jesus' relationships, his extended family (which I have wondered about myself), I stick to what I have always believed because "I" know no different. I have every bit of utmost respect for the Pastor at my Church. I know him personally and he impresses me with his education and knowledge every time I have a Question.....

JMHO, Jeanne

 

 

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Mon, 08-18-2003 - 1:28pm
I hope you don't mind my jumping in on your question to Jeanne.

I don't think celibacy in and of itself makes one more holy than another. We are all called to holiness. To perpetuate an idea that certain groups are more holy than others does 2 things: 1) it gives people not in the group the impression that they are *not* called to holiness and that what/how they live is not as important as the other group and 2) it puts an unfair burden on the "holy group" to live up to unattainable, God-like, sin free, standards. (And also sets those who place this group on a pedestal up for disappointment when members of the adored group fail as they inevitably, in their human-ness will.)

Another way to look at it: Is a celibate homosexual more holy than a married mother of 8? Is a celibate SPX priest more holy than a devout Catholic father?

I think the Pope has gone a long, long way towards dissembling this idea of a holiness hierarchy through his writings in which he celebrates the family, motherhood and women by calling the family the "domestic church" (leaving us roles as domestic priests and priestesses, in a sense). He has issued the "Universal call to holiness" and called us all forth to be "saints". As a priest friend reminded me once, Jesus is in all of us, we should look for Him in others and make Him obvious to others through ourselves.

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." - Thomas Jeff

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Mon, 08-18-2003 - 2:46pm
But, Jeanne...

If your Pastor didn't have that title and live a celibate life, would his education and sensitivity still impress you in the same way? I believe that celibacy is a real calling for some, but it's not a *higher* calling than parenthood. Each thread makes up the fabric of the Church, and without each thread, it would unravel.

Kerry

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Mon, 08-18-2003 - 4:12pm
..Please accept my apologies if you think I am saying that a Priest's Holiness is above our own as Parents. The education, the life my Priest lives, the masses he celebrates, separates him from me. I feel blessed and holy every day (..or at least, I try counting my blessings..I have good and bad days, don't we all??!!) My Priest is the icon or representative of who we pray to, IMO, therefore, the Respect I have for him is different than my own and what my role is. I think we all deserve Respect and Blessings.....

Jeanne

 

 

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